to believe Rachel Reeves was crying because

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1. she was upset when Lindsay Hoyle told her to keep her answers short

2. she had an argument with Keir Starmer (possibly about her keeping her job, or about how to handle the inevitable questions about the new £5.5bn per annum black hole) just before PMQs

3. Keir Starmer refused to say she would keep her job in front of the whole country. If he genuinely wanted her to stay, he would just say 'of course she's going to still be Chancellor' and that would be that.

4. she is under immense pressure because she knows she will have soon to breach her fiscal rules, she knows she is responsible for many of the decisions that will lead to that, and she knows the how serious the consequences of her failure will be. We have seen recently (even just today) how vicious the bond market can be.

In short, I believe she was crying because of professional pressures (understandable ones, though largely of her own making, and about which I have little sympathy) and not nebulous 'personal' reasons.

If her parent or partner or child or grandparent or pet is ill the natural thing is to just say 'sorry, a close relative is in hospital and my emotions got the better of me'. Everybody would understand. You don't need huge reams of evidence but you need to give the bare bones of an explanation. She is trying to style it out but we can all see through it.

I will apologise if I'm wrong but long experience shows that 'personal reasons' almost always means 'I'm skiving or jobhunting' when a colleague in the workplace uses it to excuse their time off.

I believe it means even less when uttered by a politican.

What services are you being 'means tested' out of? I'd be happy to pay higher taxes if I had a higher income. You do not pay for me as I claim nothing but probably, inconcievably, to you, I am not money motivated or I wouldn't be in care work.
The answer to all this is easy. Rip up all tax laws and rewrite them without loopholes for accountants to slither their client's money through, virtually untouched.
The other answer would be to get rid of money and find some other thing to base worth on - then pay accordingly. As I've said on other threads, you saw the valuable people that had to work during lockdowns. Usually they were the most looked down on jobs in society - also, mysteriously, the worst paid in some cases.

Hahahaha this is your worst reply yet! You know I never said what you’re claiming so now you’re backpedaling. “Now I’m sober” - the only one who’s sounded like they’ve had a tipple this whole thread is you! I’m not sure why you think I need to calm down, I am calm. Funnily enough I don’t left daft replies on an online forum dictate my mood 🤔 You think you’re coming across as intelligent but all you’re showing is that you have a juvenile understanding of politics and the way the economy works. Good luck with trying to defend yourself to everyone again, god knows you need it.

Just click on show quote history and you can see your original post I replied to. Anyway you no longer think Drs and carers should be paid the same and I agree. Happy days, let’s leave it at that.

Socialism - "Equal opportunity for uniformity" 🙂

I dont understand your last paragraph.

Please can you clarify?

Thanks

It’s obviously a stressful job, I think she’s doing a terrible job but one tear doesn’t really deserve this amount of scrutiny.

I’m sorry this is just absurd, I do think careers might be underpaid but it’s pretty obvious why Drs get paid more than carers.

Not really. I'm not psychic of course but a lot of posts slagging Labour seem a tad disingenuous. And I'm no fan of Steer Calmer.

So, posts criticising Labour are lacking sincerity?

I can assure you that my posts truthfully convey my feelings. If anything, I could be more strident but words sometimes fail me.

I think Labour are fully deserving of the opprobrium.

Please no more juvenile nicknames. It's like hanging out with fucking Trump.

I don’t remember anyone from Labour showing such restraint to the awful names about Boris. Double standards is sickening.

I never said that in the first place though babes so stop getting yourself into a tizzy still x

What do you think public sentiment is atm? Why would this site just be pro Labour

Please can we dispense with the ‘babes’ - it’s hugely patronising.

Nah, I use it in my everyday life to everyone. I’m gonna assume we’re different generations if you find it patronising. The only thing that is actually patronising is trying to police other peoples language, maybe reflect on that.

Also - this poster accused me of not being sober and not being calm, in her reply that’s now deleted, so I’m not really concerned if the word babes is patronising to her to be frank.

So you do deploy ‘babes’ to get your own back.

It is patronising, and you use it for that reason.

Nope - like I said I use babes in my everyday language. Shocking that people speak differently to you, I know. Once you’re over that, like I already said, maybe think about how policing other people’s language is actually patronising. You’re creating an issue out of absolutely nothing 😂

After reading the posts, I think you are on a bit of a wind up. You wrote why would carers work if they don’t have the same lifestyle as Drs and then denied writing it when the PP directly responded to your post, along with some babes and kisses.

Socialism should be’ from each according to their ability, to each according to their need’. It doesn’t work if some people aren’t willing to put any effort in. It also doesn’t work if some people are greedy.

Except I didn’t write that.

The reply was saying that carers should still earn enough to enjoy their lives. Sorry that I forgot everything is read literally and no one on mumsnet seems to have inference skills.

Sure you didn’t babes x

Surely it’s no more or less patronising than some posters’ insistence on nicknames or insults for people they don’t agree with? I might have missed it but I don’t remember you calling that out.

The trouble is if you use “babes” in your posts, especially on a political thread, it is hard to take anything you say seriously.