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Teaching OMG!

422 replies

LucilleBluth · 17/06/2025 07:46

I have been training to teach this year. I started my PGCE as a 43 year old in September 2024. I’m about to finish it-well I say that. I’m feel like I’m hitting rock bottom with two weeks to go. I have worked in schools as support staff before so I wasn’t totally blind and I have good friends who are teachers, but oh my god, it is such hard work. The workload is insane-the kids are lovely but I’m dealing with so much extra stuff like SEN, EAL is off the charts, behaviour, kids without equipment and who can’t cope unless a lesson is chunked and scaffolded so much I may as well spoon feed it.

I don’t feel I can do it full time so I applied for a Cover Supervisor role-15 qualified teachers applied for a £21000 year job, I,didn't get it. What’s the point

Teacher pay needs doubling. I’ve been awake since 1am.

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TheCaloricDecline · 20/06/2025 12:09

Trying to decide whether nursing or teaching is “worse” honestly misses the point.
They’re both incredibly demanding — just in different ways. It’s not a competition, and it shouldn’t be. But for the sake of clarity, here’s what each profession deals with:

NURSING
12–13 hour shifts, often with no break
On your feet all day, physically and emotionally drained
Clinical decisions that can carry life-or-death consequences
Exposure to trauma, death, infection
Understaffing and limited career progression (many stuck at Band 5 for years)

TEACHING
Around 1,500+ decisions per day (4+ per minute) — behaviour, learning needs, safeguarding, etc.
Hours of unpaid work outside the classroom (planning, marking, data, IEPs, EHCPs, etc.)
High-stakes safeguarding responsibility — missing a disclosure can have life-changing consequences for a child
Constant pressure from Ofsted, inspections, standardised testing
Children’s wellbeing, mental health, and learning often fall solely on teachers

Both professions face:
High burnout and mental health strain
Chronic underfunding and unrealistic expectations
Recruitment and retention crises
Systemic pressures that make the job harder than it should be

So it’s not about who has it worse, it’s about recognising that both jobs are vital, exhausting, and undervalued in different ways. We’re all working flat out in broken systems.

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 13:58

I remember the aches I used to go home with after each day. I'd have to rub my shoulder blades up against a doorway to relieve the tension. Don't get me started on the Feet!

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2025 15:01

SunnySideDeepDown · 19/06/2025 17:01

They had to be checked each month to ensure all overtime and expenses were correct.

And that's how we know you've never seen a teacher's pay slip.

SunnySideDeepDown · 20/06/2025 16:24

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2025 15:01

And that's how we know you've never seen a teacher's pay slip.

You’re talking bollocks - that was part of my role for nearly a year. I don’t need to prove that to a random stranger. Believe me or not, but it’s the truth.

zingally · 20/06/2025 16:51

Speaking as a teacher about to finish her 17th year, I think social media has done teaching a massive disservice.
All the young applicants see is all the pretty long-haired beauties on TikTok, swanning into their classrooms with their stanleys, co-ordinating bag and a Starbucks. Whacking out a few worksheets and a couple of powerpoints, while they bask in their cute pastel-coloured classroom.
They're not seeing the 40yo mum of 2, wearing the same outfit as yesterday, in by 7:15, and just about managing to stay afloat.

For what it's worth, it terms of paperwork etc, it gets MUCH easier once you've qualifed. Universities insist on insane quantities of paperwork for every single thing. I remember naively starting my PGCE, thinking one lever arch file would be enough. I finished 9 months later with 13. Within a year of qualifying, I'd thrown all but 2 away.

FrippEnos · 20/06/2025 17:10

The adverts really don't help as they still only show very nice aspects of the profession.
The current even has the teacher playing table tennis during break duties.

BoysBagsShoes · 20/06/2025 17:20

I was a teacher for 17 years and left last year. I loved my job and left for personal reasons, but it was only after I’d left that I realised just how stressed I’d been. I suppose I didn’t realise how bad it was until I could step back and reflect!
It is relentless. I’m not at all saying that other jobs aren’t, but that I know teaching is. The curriculum changes are far more frequent, ALN paperwork is crazy, lots of EAL kids, kids with worsening mental health, behaviour is worse, budgets are squeezed…and the impact of covid will be seen for a long time. You feel like you’re a parent, nurse, social worker, counsellor, sergeant major, academic author…plus a teacher!
I’m now in another job, far less pay but the potential to (hopefully) earn more. It’s far more flexible, treated like an adult by my bosses (and I was on SLT!) and I actually have a life! I’m very, very lucky to have been able to take a pay cut and still on a DB pension, which I know are deciding factors for so many.

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2025 17:21

FrippEnos · 20/06/2025 17:10

The adverts really don't help as they still only show very nice aspects of the profession.
The current even has the teacher playing table tennis during break duties.

Perhaps they should show a drooping teacher in a 30 degree classroom trying to teach sweaty and fractious kids how to solve quadratic equations.

FrippEnos · 20/06/2025 17:35

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2025 17:21

Perhaps they should show a drooping teacher in a 30 degree classroom trying to teach sweaty and fractious kids how to solve quadratic equations.

Or wading through a crowd of chanting kids, then dodging fists whilst trying to break up a fight.

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2025 17:39

Or we could have some lighter comedy moments like banging on the door of a toilet cubicle, the cubicle door opening and 8 kids coming out of it like out of a clown car.

Smallhaircut · 20/06/2025 18:03

I’ve been a teacher for 10 years and I found the training year so much harder than actual teaching. try not to be too disheartened for now. Can you do some supply work to try and workout which things you like/don’t like - this might inform you of the type of school you might like to work in full time.
it can be a slog, but I try to find planning etc online and I’m no longer a perfectionist.
with regards to children not coping, speak to the SENCO - it’s their job to inform you of ways to help. We cant do everything for everyone as much as we’d like to - you’re only one person in a room of 30 children.

Redlocks28 · 20/06/2025 18:04

What do you do now, @BoysBagsShoes ?!

BoysBagsShoes · 20/06/2025 18:27

@Redlocks28 work in the education dept for the local authority.

bfc1980 · 21/06/2025 18:12

It's hard work. No doubt about it. Especially as an NQT. I almost failed my NQT year and had plenty of meltdowns during that time. Including getting heartbroken by my first love. But I was mid 20's and had bags of energy and just ploughed through it.

Could I cope now as an NQT at 44yrs old? Maybe yes, maybe no. You don't know what you're capable of until you try it.

However, I jumped ship 12 years ago to go and teach at a British International school and now my perception of being a teacher is altered due to the work-life balance I have. I haven't planned lessons at home or taken books home to mark at all during that time, I plan 1 subject per week as we're 8 form entry and we share the workload, I get paid much more (including 400 quid a month allowance for being science coordinator) and I have the equivalent of 2 days non-contact time to do all of the admin stuff.

So my advice... Stick it out for a few years then if you're good at what you do but find the pressure and behaviour untenable, move overseas.

bfc1980 · 21/06/2025 18:18

zingally · 20/06/2025 16:51

Speaking as a teacher about to finish her 17th year, I think social media has done teaching a massive disservice.
All the young applicants see is all the pretty long-haired beauties on TikTok, swanning into their classrooms with their stanleys, co-ordinating bag and a Starbucks. Whacking out a few worksheets and a couple of powerpoints, while they bask in their cute pastel-coloured classroom.
They're not seeing the 40yo mum of 2, wearing the same outfit as yesterday, in by 7:15, and just about managing to stay afloat.

For what it's worth, it terms of paperwork etc, it gets MUCH easier once you've qualifed. Universities insist on insane quantities of paperwork for every single thing. I remember naively starting my PGCE, thinking one lever arch file would be enough. I finished 9 months later with 13. Within a year of qualifying, I'd thrown all but 2 away.

This is absolutely true. Planning during my initial teacher training used to be 2 sides of A4 per lesson (handwritten in my 1st year of training as I didn't have my own computer until yr 2) detailing absolutely every word and question I'd say. Now it's a couple of paragraphs. Subject knowledge and experience in this job will save you a lot of time. Unless you have a demanding head who wants 2 sides of A4 for every lesson.

TooManyCupsAndMugs · 21/06/2025 18:26

HairyToity · 17/06/2025 08:49

Curious - why has it got so much worse in the last decade? What has been the shift?

Far more SEND and far less support. When I was HoD at one school, I had admin support for photocopying, trip management, ordering etc which meant I could concentrate on T and L and supporting my team. That's all gone now. I used to have LSA in any lessons where I had additional needs - also gone. Executive pay up though so that's good news 🙄

cardibach · 21/06/2025 18:32

Dangermoo · 19/06/2025 17:53

This is very true and (some) permanent staff can look down on you.

Cover supervisors are permanent staff. Students can look down on them but not staff in my experience. You’re thinking of supply teachers.

DevonCounty · 21/06/2025 18:59

Break it down, schools are only open 189 days a year. It’s amazing how little face to face teaching our children get each year.

each year as a teacher will get easier as you learn.

not many jobs have so little “customer facing” time

if you really can’t cope, then understand the jobs not right for you

cardibach · 21/06/2025 19:02

DevonCounty · 21/06/2025 18:59

Break it down, schools are only open 189 days a year. It’s amazing how little face to face teaching our children get each year.

each year as a teacher will get easier as you learn.

not many jobs have so little “customer facing” time

if you really can’t cope, then understand the jobs not right for you

190 for students, 195 for teachers.
I’ve been a teacher for 35 years (now retired - early).
You clearly have no direct knowledge.

DevonCounty · 21/06/2025 19:07

Wrong. Jobs are not stressful, people are. It’s clearly not the right job for some, but if it is, then fantastic, it’s a stroll

cardibach · 21/06/2025 19:08

DevonCounty · 21/06/2025 19:07

Wrong. Jobs are not stressful, people are. It’s clearly not the right job for some, but if it is, then fantastic, it’s a stroll

Bollocks. Teaching isn’t a stroll for anyone (neither is nursing, policing, being a doctor etc etc for clarity)

DevonCounty · 21/06/2025 19:23

I disagree entirely, I’d love to get back into teaching. Remarkable job and very good benefits, holiday when the children had holiday, every weekend off, every bank holiday off, fantastic pension, safe employment…even if you struggle it’s unlikely you will get sacked. Compared to the private sector it really is a breeze and only those who have done both with know that.

oh and as you swore at me, highly un professional, it’s worth noting to many 35 years experience is 1 years experience 35 times over.

ilovesooty · 21/06/2025 19:27

DevonCounty · 21/06/2025 19:23

I disagree entirely, I’d love to get back into teaching. Remarkable job and very good benefits, holiday when the children had holiday, every weekend off, every bank holiday off, fantastic pension, safe employment…even if you struggle it’s unlikely you will get sacked. Compared to the private sector it really is a breeze and only those who have done both with know that.

oh and as you swore at me, highly un professional, it’s worth noting to many 35 years experience is 1 years experience 35 times over.

Why did you leave if you thought it was such a stroll then?

ilovesooty · 21/06/2025 19:29

And I don't think your jibe at @cardibach and your implications about her being a poor teacher are very professional either.

FrippEnos · 21/06/2025 19:31

@DevonCounty

I will be generous and say it must have been many years since you were a teacher in the classroom.

Because so much of what you say has so much information missing.