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Just sit down. It’s not *that* good

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InformEducateEntertain · 15/03/2025 17:58

I live in London. I go ‘up West’ fairly often and visit the theatre. All sorts. Musicals, one man shows, classics, whatever looks interesting really.

I love going but what really annoys me is the apparently compulsory standing ovation. Most shows are good. Occasionally they are brilliant (seen Kenrex anyone?). But whyowhyohwhy do audiences now stand up and clap? Always.

They never used to.

I’m middle aged and grumpy I know but in the good old days the standing ovation was reserved for the truly outstanding performance (Kenrex springs to mind). Now you are seen as a weirdo if you don’t partake.

AIBU to think the theatre going folk of today have lost it or am I the one with the problem?

OP posts:
Oollliivviiaa · 17/03/2025 08:58

Every single thing I've seen recently has had a standing ovation, including ones that most definitely did not deserve it. It completely undermines the point of them. It's OTT and somehow seems a bit "look at me" but I can't explain why.

The funniest one was the most recent one I saw. The curtain dropped and a character walks about in front of it. It's obvious not the end but people started clapping and even standing up. 🤣 It was an enjoyable show and the set was clever but it wasn't standing ovation and especially not before it had even finished!

I remember going to see Blood Brothers many, many years ago. The actors kept laughing at each, one of them kept forgetting her lines, something broke on set... it was something you'd expect from a bad am dram and one of the worse things I've seen. However they got a standing ovation and I've never understood why.

CassandraWebb · 17/03/2025 08:58

LuckyShark · 17/03/2025 08:05

Glad I've come upon this thread.
Where im from it's normal to stand/ovate every show, loudly and enthusiastically to show your appreciation for the actors, stage hands, musicians and everyone involved with the performance.

I've been to lots of West End shows now and I've been totally puzzled why my family/group are often the only ones on our feet. We keep doing it as we believe it shows respect to those who have just out on a show for us.

I suppose an exceptional performance would encourage some shouting of Excellent or Bravo/a for the more theatrical or encourage more curtain calls.

But to not give an ovation would be rude and shocking here. There would be a FB post for sure

Do you think standing up shows respect to the people behind you though? Particularly those who maybe are not able to stand.

Has it crossed your mind to change your behaviour when in a different country? I tend to think it is respectful to take my cue from those around me when abroad

ErrolTheDragon · 17/03/2025 08:59

CassandraWebb · 17/03/2025 08:48

Its interesting that noone is engaging with the issue of how it impacts disabled people, despite quite a few comments on the thread

You’re right. I guess mostly the wheelchair spaces are at the front of a block but that doesn’t always apply, and there are many people in standard seating who can’t just leap to their feet. Anyone who ‘ovates’ without consideration for the people around them really isn’t behaving in a civilized manner.

BillStickersWillBeProsocuted · 17/03/2025 09:00

IamSallyBowles · 16/03/2025 22:13

that could have been us in Wednesday in Wyndham's theatre - DS big fan - we were front row - I only stood up so he wasn't alone.... then he was so embarrassed with the false end - but had to stand when it was the real end. One of the main cast looked him in the eye, pointed at him, winked and smiled and it made his night....

generally though - we go to theatre a lot an and I agree standing ovations are over done these days. but some shows encourage it by getting you iup on your feet dancing before the final bows so you are up anyway.

Right show and threater, but I wasn't there Wednesday so it looks like it might be a commen occurance there!

To be fair I did think it was ovation worthy and was happy to join in - I try to go to the theatre at least once a year, 2 or 3 times if I can manage it and it's my favorite thing I've ever seen. I am fan of Inside number 9 and Reece Shearsmith & Steve Pemberton in general though so might be slightly biased. It was the speed that they got up that ammused me - usualy it seems that the ovation kind of grows, whereas they shot out of their seats immediatly both times

Stowickthevast · 17/03/2025 09:01

I'm a regular theatre goer too @InformEducateEntertain and completely agree.

Things I've seen recently which really didn't deserve a standing ovation:
Elektra
Wicked
Hades Town

Things which did
The Picture of Dorian Gray

There are a few borderline ones but I rarely stand unless I'm blown away.

CassandraWebb · 17/03/2025 09:01

ErrolTheDragon · 17/03/2025 08:59

You’re right. I guess mostly the wheelchair spaces are at the front of a block but that doesn’t always apply, and there are many people in standard seating who can’t just leap to their feet. Anyone who ‘ovates’ without consideration for the people around them really isn’t behaving in a civilized manner.

I am am ambulatory wheelchair user, I would never take up a wheelchair user space from someone who wasn't able to get out of their chair at all. And plenty of disabled people don't use a wheelchair.
Standing up actually makes me very ill faster than walking does.

CassandraWebb · 17/03/2025 09:02

(in fact, if anything, I feel less disabled when I use my chair, because I don't get ill as rapidly)

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 09:03

CassandraWebb · 17/03/2025 08:48

Its interesting that noone is engaging with the issue of how it impacts disabled people, despite quite a few comments on the thread

There’s never going to be a way to behave in the theatre that’s perfect for everyone.

Almahart · 17/03/2025 09:07

MarjorieDanvers · 17/03/2025 08:56

Well I want to see Kenrix now and it’s finished!

I imagine/hope it will transfer, it was so well reviewed

AnnPerkins · 17/03/2025 09:12

I go to the theatre a lot and can't remember the last time there was a standing ovation. Maybe the things I see are really dire then.

Oollliivviiaa · 17/03/2025 09:19

I've found it really depends on the theatre (and I guess therefore the audience type).

For instance.

Locally, we've got a "traditional" theatre, the sort that West end shows tour to eg Life of Pi (one of the few shows that deserved the standing ovation!) and it feels like an old fashioned show. It has an older "theatre going crowd" and is bloody expensive. That always ends up with ovations whether deserved or not.

We also have a theatre that does "quirkier" shows, doesn't have curtains etc. I guess you'd describe it as a modern indi theatre. It's not much smaller than the the other one but attracts a huge range of people and every show is at least 75% full I reckon. Probably because tickets cost about £40 maximum even when big names are playing. I prefer this theatre and have seen some amazing productions here but I've never seen a standing ovation. TBH I really hope I don't.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/03/2025 09:28

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 09:03

There’s never going to be a way to behave in the theatre that’s perfect for everyone.

Behaving with consideration for all but particularly for those who most need it is never wrong.

CassandraWebb · 17/03/2025 09:50

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 09:03

There’s never going to be a way to behave in the theatre that’s perfect for everyone.

Who is standing up better for then? And why are their needs more important?

aliceinawonderland · 17/03/2025 09:55

ThisFluentBiscuit · 17/03/2025 00:07

I agree, OP. When I lived in London for four years, 25 years ago, I went to the theatre quite a bit, and there was a standing ovation precisely once - at Les Mis. I went to a thoroughly mediocre ballet the other night - it was the worst Swan Lake I've ever seen, and the black swan even fell on her bum - but there was a standing ovation. I don't take part. Sod that. (Obviously I would if it was merited.)

Interesting about the ballet… was this in London?

goodovationsonly · 17/03/2025 10:06

I was initially with the OP but the more they post they more they come across as a self-righteous snob. Perhaps the theatres need to employ her to hold up signs towards the end of each performance, such as TRANSCENDS THE NORM/HIGHEST ACCOLADE/SUPERLATIVE in green to signal that the standing ovation is permissable, and MEDIOCRE AT BEST/RUBBISH/KEEP SEATED YOU FERAL UNDERCLASS in red to signal that the performance has not reached OP's expectations.

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 10:10

ErrolTheDragon · 17/03/2025 09:28

Behaving with consideration for all but particularly for those who most need it is never wrong.

OP is fine with standing ovations as long as she feels the performance deserves it. So either nobody ever stands up or it’s okay to stand whenever, surely?

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 10:11

CassandraWebb · 17/03/2025 09:50

Who is standing up better for then? And why are their needs more important?

I haven’t said it’s better for anyone - but OP says herself she’s fine with a standing ovation when she deems it acceptable.

I would personally be fine if nobody stood up but that’s not the rules.

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 10:13

goodovationsonly · 17/03/2025 10:06

I was initially with the OP but the more they post they more they come across as a self-righteous snob. Perhaps the theatres need to employ her to hold up signs towards the end of each performance, such as TRANSCENDS THE NORM/HIGHEST ACCOLADE/SUPERLATIVE in green to signal that the standing ovation is permissable, and MEDIOCRE AT BEST/RUBBISH/KEEP SEATED YOU FERAL UNDERCLASS in red to signal that the performance has not reached OP's expectations.

This is my impression too. OP is fine with standing as long as she deems it worthy - but why is her opinion worth more than anyone else’s?

Either nobody should be allowed to stand or everyone should be. It’s not down to some random audience member to decide Confused

InformEducateEntertain · 17/03/2025 10:26

Is it called the Lake Woebegone effect? Theatre audiences are making the same judgement of the play/show they visit because they have visited it rather than because it stands out.

Not every show can be so amazing that it is deserving of a standing ovation unless theatre craft has truly transformed in the last few years. It has little to do with my objective assessment of whether something is good or bad (did I mention Kenrex yet?). More an annoyance that audiences seem to be saying that all performances are amazing by using the one audience tool available to indicate superlative - ubiquitously.

OP posts:
FourSeasonsLobelia · 17/03/2025 10:31

But what is an 'exceptional performance' is entirely subjective. My previous post about my DS14 who has never been to the ballet and most certainly did not want to see anything like Cinderella was completely bowled over. For him it was exceptional. So yes he did a standing ovation. And since then he has been looking through the forthcoming events for the theatre we went to to see what else we can go to. We have already booked 2 more performances- one of which is not until March 2026!

I can think of worse 'breaches of theatre etiquette' than an audience member demonstrating their absolute enjoyment of the production by standing up and clapping.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 17/03/2025 10:32

InformEducateEntertain · 17/03/2025 07:59

@biscuitsandbooksbut it is not about saying ‘this is a special show to me’ it’s about saying this show is superlative - the acting and overall experience transcend the norm - it deserves the highest of accolades.

But if you don’t see live performances regularly, or the level of live performance you see regularly is amateur/ropy lower end of regional theatre, then yes, the performance level of a live west end theatre quality performance will be unusually high for you.

This is all part of the problem of higher ticket prices, theatre is more of an event.

LuckyShark · 17/03/2025 10:32

ErrolTheDragon · 17/03/2025 08:45

Unless you’re in the back row, have you ever considered it’s rather disrespectful to the people sitting behind you whose view you’re blocking?
When in Rome…best to take your cue from locals.

The show is over....what are you missing?

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 10:34

InformEducateEntertain · 17/03/2025 10:26

Is it called the Lake Woebegone effect? Theatre audiences are making the same judgement of the play/show they visit because they have visited it rather than because it stands out.

Not every show can be so amazing that it is deserving of a standing ovation unless theatre craft has truly transformed in the last few years. It has little to do with my objective assessment of whether something is good or bad (did I mention Kenrex yet?). More an annoyance that audiences seem to be saying that all performances are amazing by using the one audience tool available to indicate superlative - ubiquitously.

And maybe to that particular audience, the show was amazing? Why do you think your opinion is more valid than theirs?

Unless the same 500 people attend every single show you do, then audiences will be different and opinions will be different.

Latenightreader · 17/03/2025 10:38

Blood Brothers used to be known as the standing ovation musical because almost every performance received one and this was unusual.

I'm another grump who hates people standing during performances but I can cope with it at the end (might not join in though).

goodovationsonly · 17/03/2025 10:38

InformEducateEntertain · 17/03/2025 10:26

Is it called the Lake Woebegone effect? Theatre audiences are making the same judgement of the play/show they visit because they have visited it rather than because it stands out.

Not every show can be so amazing that it is deserving of a standing ovation unless theatre craft has truly transformed in the last few years. It has little to do with my objective assessment of whether something is good or bad (did I mention Kenrex yet?). More an annoyance that audiences seem to be saying that all performances are amazing by using the one audience tool available to indicate superlative - ubiquitously.

But maybe they did think it transcended the norm and the acting was of the superlative? Why is your opinion the only one that counts? It is subjective, there is no formal rubric/assessment of whether or not a performance meets
your specific criteria. Other posters have mentioned that this can be contingent upon place too, wrt expectation.
I think you are annoyed by this as you think that the riffraff (who aren't aware of theatre etiquette, as you see it) shouldn't be allowed to have access to theatres.

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