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Swim teaching - To struggle to think of reasonable adjustments for ADHD?

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Gotabadfeelingaboutthis · 23/10/2024 21:38

So Jenny (not real name) has ADHD and is a swimming teacher.
She presents in a very hyper state for work, is often late and arrives disheveled, disorganised and dysregulated. She also may not have the things she needs with her. In the pool, she is very heightened, which can present as either hyperactive and loud, or dysregulated, snappy, tearful etc. If the children in the pool are struggling to regulate, she becomes very frantic and cries. Jenny does have things going on in her personal life, but she leads a life which appears to lurch from one drama to another, and the people (family) around her exacerbate issues. To add balance, Jenny is also very thoughtful and kind, she does not have a good support network at home, and does want to do well at work.
Her workplace want to put in place reasonable adjustments to support her and enable her to do her job effectively but it is very difficult to think how her ADHD could be accommodated in a swimming pool setting, as things like a quiet room to work in, softer lighting, headphones on etc wouldn't work for a swimming teacher! In terms of her lateness, the way the business operates means she chooses which days she works already. It is so difficult balancing supporting her, with keeping the children in the pool safe and ensuring they are getting effective teaching. I would welcome any suggestions.

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ManhattanPopcorn · 23/10/2024 22:17

Jenny is in the wrong job.

BeMintBee · 23/10/2024 22:17

This is the wrong job for her. She cannot co-regulate children and keep them safe whilst she is so dysregulated herself. You can make adjustments for the organisation side of things but fundamentally she cannot regulate herself and doesn’t seem to have any strategies or insight into how to help herself.

I would be surprised at parents witnessing this and still keep paying for lessons with this girl.

AnneLovesGilbert · 23/10/2024 22:18

How long has she had the job? Have you addressed any of this with her? What feedback are the parents giving?

You cannot compromise safety. There are few more dangerous places for children to be with an adult who’s not in control than water!

Ouncesnow · 23/10/2024 22:20

I can’t believe the parents are just accepting this behaviour tbh. My child would not be going back to that lesson if the swimming teacher got frantic and cried. Sorry OP safety first, she needs a different role.

DoreenonTill8 · 23/10/2024 22:22

Sorry but another parent saying it just doesn't sound like it will work unfortunately child safety is priority.
Surely parents must have noticed her becoming frantic and distressed and leaving the children alone in the pool?
We sit poolside at swimming lessons, but up on the stands, I think there would likely be mass parental panic if the instructor got out and left 4yos in the pool?

MumblesParty · 23/10/2024 22:22

ManhattanPopcorn · 23/10/2024 22:17

Jenny is in the wrong job.

This.
Just because we want to do a job, doesn’t mean we can. I might want to be a model but I’m not pretty enough. And I’m not clever enough to be a professor of astrophysics. And I’m not patient enough to make mosaics.
Jenny doesn’t have the right temperament to teach kids to swim. Regardless of whether someone has ADHD, ASD or just personality traits, if their temperament doesn’t fit the job, then there are no “reasonable adjustments” that can facilitate it.

LynetteScavo · 23/10/2024 22:25

It's sounds as though reasonable adjustments are being made for Jenny already.

Jenny needs to take on the responsibility of not being late, having thinks in place to make sure she is on time and has all of her equipment. I think an employer can offer advice on what might help, but ultimately it's up to Jenny to implement these.

Does Jenny have a diagnosis and take medication? It sounds as though she could benefit from professional help before she loses her job.

Gotabadfeelingaboutthis · 23/10/2024 22:26

Thanks all, you are confirming my thoughts exactly.

Just to clarify for those of you who are (rightly!) concerned, because of Jenny's difficulties, we do not ever leave her alone in the pool with the children, there is always another teacher in with her. This is not sustainable long term but the extra training/support was to see if we could help her learn to better regulate herself in the water once the job became more familiar to her.

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PrimalOwl10 · 23/10/2024 22:30

How did she qualify,? surely these issues would have came up on her course? Why does she have her own lessons? Can she assist a teacher instead of taking a leading role?

Halfblindbunny · 23/10/2024 22:30

Gotabadfeelingaboutthis · 23/10/2024 22:26

Thanks all, you are confirming my thoughts exactly.

Just to clarify for those of you who are (rightly!) concerned, because of Jenny's difficulties, we do not ever leave her alone in the pool with the children, there is always another teacher in with her. This is not sustainable long term but the extra training/support was to see if we could help her learn to better regulate herself in the water once the job became more familiar to her.

There is a reason they are called reasonable adjustments. How long have you basically being paying two people to do one job? Because it is not reasonable to expect you to do that long term. What has she done to help herself during this time? Has she suggested anything that may help with how she handles the pool environment/children?

chuffincold · 23/10/2024 22:30

Has she recently qualified?
SE or STA?
How did she get on with the course?
Whilst you're looking at adjustments what does she want adjustment wise?
She has got to want to help herself rather than expect you to do it all just because she wants to teach

Bunnycat101 · 23/10/2024 22:31

This alone is the reason why it’s not ok: “If the children in the pool are struggling to regulate, she becomes very frantic and cries.”

I think that unfortunately would make for a poor learning environment for kids whatever the lesson type. Add in the potential for child to drown while she’s not in control then you’ve got a disaster waiting to happen quite frankly.

You can accommodate the rest but that bit is a massive red flag.

BuffaloCauliflower · 23/10/2024 22:32

I have ADHD and work in HR, I agree with other posters that this isn’t the job for her. But I’d also support her to apply to Access to Work and try and get an ADHD coach who might be able to help steer her in a better direction.

BeMintBee · 23/10/2024 22:33

She needs to be well regulated before she’s even in the water so having someone in there with her won’t have a huge impact if she’s already over the threshold.

spinningplates2024 · 23/10/2024 22:33

Accommodations around planning and organising are reasonable. If she can’t manage her emotional regulation then she needs to learn how to do so/consider meds/strategies and address these things if possible or recognise that this role isn’t suitable at this time. Accommodations are a legal obligation but this doesn’t mean compromising a child’s safety. ADHD has different severity levels and presentations and there could be other things going on I don’t think it’s possible to suggest tailored suggestions for an individual unless there is an understanding of individual presentation and need.

GinForBreakfast · 23/10/2024 22:34

Jenny needs to find a different job tbh. She is going to m herself unwell by putting her in a physical environment that is incompatible with her wellbeing.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/10/2024 22:35

Scheduled downtime where she can sit comfortably without bright lights, noise and disturbance between sessions, possibly outside away from customers (no 'you must not leave the premises under any circumstances until you have finished for the day') could help, as going from one session straight to another with all the noise and the lighting can increase disregulation. Not having awful music that's too loud going all the time (one of my most hated things about fitness environments, as it's often too loud to think) is another one.

KnottedTwine · 23/10/2024 22:35

Jenny needs a different job. Jenny is not suited to working as a swimming teacher.

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 23/10/2024 22:39

The key is reasonable adjustments. Her problems sound like they make her unsafe to be around children in water. I also wonder if she is misdiagnosed - did she get her diagnosis from an NHS assessor? There are certain personality disorders which can look similar and people may be given ND diagnosis when actually the problem is more personality based. And vice versa.

NewName24 · 23/10/2024 22:43

ScaryGrotbag · 23/10/2024 21:43

I say this kindly as someone who has ADHD, she needs to learn to regulate herself, be on time and be organised for class. If she genuinely can't do these things, she needs another job. I often am too loud and come across as hyper, my life is one crisis to the next (through no fault or neglect, it's just life!) I teach dance. I've learned to articulate that the students need to politely tell me if I'm getting too loud. I'm always on time, I always aim to be there half an hour early so if I'm ten minutes late in still 20 early. I keep lists of stuff I need for special events but for normal classes I keep everything together in one bag. I've always chosen jobs that work for me and the way I am and I recognise that I'm not suited to all jobs.

This.

'Reasonable adjustments' have to be 'reasonable'.
Ultimately, some people aren't suited to some jobs.
It will vary. I have 2 dc with ADHD. Both have managed to work as lifeguards (same environment) and one of them as a swimming teacher. But obviously people are affected differently. In this case you have done what you can to see if it will work, but it doesn't work for her so you have to put the safety of the children first.

Ablondiebutagoody · 23/10/2024 22:45

Sadly it doesn't sound like being a swimming teacher is for her and her Clients may well start voting with their feet.

mm81736 · 23/10/2024 23:06

I wouldn't want to entrust my child's safety in water to someone with an attention deficit.

mm81736 · 23/10/2024 23:07

And autistic children need someone who us calm and consistent.

MeganM3 · 23/10/2024 23:11

You can't have a swimming teacher crying in the pool in front of kids. She's not fit for the job if she's doing this more than a one off.

I have ADHD as do my kids. I'm not unsympathetic but not everyone is right for every role all the time.

YourLastNerve · 23/10/2024 23:14

Safety comes first.

This is not the right job for her.

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