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To ask which country you would not visit again and why?

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travelcat · 15/09/2024 19:58

I love hearing about travel experiences and am interested in knowing about places you have visited that you wouldn't go back to.

AIBU to ask which country you'd avoid in the future and what specifically made your experience less enjoyable? Was it due to culture, safety, or something else?

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NotMyCircusss · 16/09/2024 09:54

Christwosheds · 15/09/2024 20:30

I’m shocked by this as Japan is normally rated as very safe.

It is very safe. Younger women can experience groping though, but in general you can walk home at night and it’s literally the safest country in the world that way. Osaka though is known as the rough uncouth part of Japan, they’re different there (my dh is Japanese and I’ve lived there, I’m far East Asian myself).

Taishan · 16/09/2024 09:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/09/2024 20:16

Morocco. Too hot, too dirty, horrible men.

Exactly this.
You couldnt drag me back in chains

NotMyCircusss · 16/09/2024 09:57

Turkey. Went on a school trip there and some men trapped us in the back of the shop, leering, touching our hair, then offering to give us stuff if we “went” with them, the teachers had to come rescue us. Got leered at in the streets, offering to marry us etc. Fucking horrific country for women and girls. The school never had another trip there.

JHound · 16/09/2024 09:58

Fluffywalrus · 16/09/2024 09:47

I've traveled to 50+ countries, often with the same female friend, and came to the conclusion that different shaped / looking women can have completely different experiences in the same countries. Usually dependent on what type of woman is sexualised / considered most attractive there.

In India and South East Asia my friend had a horrific time (and I saw a lot of the harrassment). She was groped, shouted at, harassed and even nearly attacked. Whereas not a single man in months showed any sexual interest in me. She is short, slightly overweight, with a very large chest. One of the local woman suggested the issue was because no local women were shaped that way so the man had an intense interest in her. In contrast, I'm tall (taller than the men there), slim and pretty flat but still bigger than the petite local woman. I assume I looked very manly to them.

But then I had a horrific time in Paris, and would never go back without a man. She on the other hand had no issues.

None of its fair or ok but this has been my observations.

It is so true what you say about the way you look being a driver for harassment and the type of harassment.

I recall going to Brazil with a friend who is a statuesque blonde. She was harassed constantly to the point she did not want to go to the beach. I apparently “look like I am Brazilian” so was left alone.

Yet I have found myself sexualised and taken for a sex worker in places like Germany and Italy. And in places like Russia and China the pointing and people taking photos was overwhelmingly. My (male, white) colleague did not believe that kind of thing would ever happen (when I told him about my experiences in Russia) but changed his mind when he saw it for his own eyes in China.

It’s why I try my hardest not to dismiss people’s opinions as they all different. Similarly a female friend of mine is a sole female traveller and has been to Morocco many times alone and has never had any issue or any harassment.

Harry12345 · 16/09/2024 09:58

PlummyPears · 16/09/2024 09:53

I like France as a country but have encountered unpleasant coldness and unfriendliness there, particularly in restaurants where English people seem to be very unwelcome – especially if you dare to break the 'rules' in times of what time you eat or anything like that. We once went into a restaurant for lunch with our two young kids and felt like the whole place was staring at us (seemingly because it was the end of lunchtime and not the done thing to be eating at that hour) – and it was noticeable that the service was very poor at our table compared to others. It was a really horrible experience.

I've also noticed that if you say you're Scottish, people are more friendly.

As a Scottish person that’s definitely a thing, people abroad change when they know we are Scottish and become a lot more friendly

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 16/09/2024 10:00

Germany - really large 'no-go' areas at nights that locals avoid. Ditto with lots of parts of Central Europe (Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Poland etc). Such a shame tbh as they're lovely countries.

On the other hand, I would go back to Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Lebanon in a heart beat.

TofuTart · 16/09/2024 10:00

Never understand these kinds of threads, they're always good for a laugh though.
I mean, it's like someone coming to England, going to London and encountering a rude person shouting at them, then going to a cafe and having bad service
"That's it, I hate England, I'm never going again, they're so rude and it's horrible there!"
What, all of it?! 🙄😁

DonnaBanana · 16/09/2024 10:02

Scotland. I had so many problems there. Firstly the midges are terrible I have never seen or been bitten by so many. Also I ordered sausage with my breakfast and it came like a slice of sausage toast not a sausage. Plus I am okay with foreign languages but mangling up my own language of English is just not on they are proper weird up there and it’s just too unsettling for me.

Haaaaaaan · 16/09/2024 10:03

I am not sure there's a whole country I wouldn't go back to, but I have not been to many of the countries where women's rights are poor - I hate the sound of it. Only been to Tanzania in Africa and nowhere in the middle east.

From travel lots of countries in the Americas, Europe, southeast Asia and Australasia:

I used to live in china and would always go back in a heartbeat. However I'm not sure it's the best place for a holiday if you don't speak the language and have time to do some random stuff beyond terracotta warriors and the like. Completely understand why some people hate it.

The USA - nature only for me. Hiking and camping is brilliant, but I HATE the cities. Difficult to get around without a car, dangerous in places, food is shit (admittedly better in the cities but in general I'm always shocked at how hard it is to get non-UPF and vegetarian food, and how rubbish the remaining options are e.g. cheese is bland), people are a mixed bag like anywhere but the culture is not for me.

I've just remembered Vietnam. I wouldn't rule it out but it's probably the country where I least enjoyed it/was most frustrated - you sort of have to give in to being a tourist I found, nobody would talk to us to say where we could get a bus for example, they wanted to ring their mate to drive us somewhere for a lot of money. I don't deal very well with being hassled on the street to buy things and that sort of thing happens a lot. Still had a great time though!

JHound · 16/09/2024 10:04

TofuTart · 16/09/2024 10:00

Never understand these kinds of threads, they're always good for a laugh though.
I mean, it's like someone coming to England, going to London and encountering a rude person shouting at them, then going to a cafe and having bad service
"That's it, I hate England, I'm never going again, they're so rude and it's horrible there!"
What, all of it?! 🙄😁

I did comment similar. I cannot imagine being put off an entire country but I can be put off revisiting cities if I had a really bad experience in one.

meeeeeee1234 · 16/09/2024 10:04

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 16/09/2024 08:40

I found Egypt generally fine - but that was only because I went with dh. Also with us were two early 20s dds and my mother.

On the one occasion we four went out without dh, we were hassled to death. And we’d lived in the Middle East so were very much aware of the need to dress conservatively - it made no difference.

Must add - for balance - that we lived in Oman for many years and I never once felt unsafe or was hassled there - and I’d so often go out on my own, inc. to e.g. the souk. Everyone was unfailingly polite and courteous.

I hope it’s still the same now.

My daughter spent 5 weeks in Oman in January to do with her uni degree.
She loved it there. The food was amazing, the people polite & friendly. Due to the no alcohol in public places, people were well behaved.
She said she felt safer there than back at home in the UK.

New4Old · 16/09/2024 10:05

Unlikely to revisit Iran or Pakistan again. When we were there it looked as if ordinary life was improving, we enjoyed our visits. From what I read and see both degenerating into total shit holes now.

Christwosheds · 16/09/2024 10:06

Fluffywalrus · 16/09/2024 09:41

I'd said the violence against women in Japan is more 'subtle' or cowardly (for want of a better word).

There's huge issues with groping on packed public transport where you can't possibly move or challenge the attacker. Upskirting and secret cameras. There'll be a lot of signs on public toilets letting people know they're checked for secret cameras every hour to keep women safe.

And most scarily video games in which men can rape women are legal and very popular.

I might be visiting next year with dds (17, 19) so I am worried by this. Groping on public transport - uggh, not what I expected.
Very depressing how almost every post here is about places being horrible to visit because of the predatory behaviour of men. I thought of Japan as somewhere women could feel pretty safe.
Paris as a young woman was shocking in terms of sexual harrassment. I was groped, had a man grab my breasts in the street , constant cat calling and hassle. It was frightening. I loved the look of the city but the people were very rude and unfriendly, and the men were horrible. I wonder if it would be different now as an older woman ?

Haaaaaaan · 16/09/2024 10:06

TofuTart · 16/09/2024 10:00

Never understand these kinds of threads, they're always good for a laugh though.
I mean, it's like someone coming to England, going to London and encountering a rude person shouting at them, then going to a cafe and having bad service
"That's it, I hate England, I'm never going again, they're so rude and it's horrible there!"
What, all of it?! 🙄😁

I think that's the point? It's just interesting what people's impressions were and why. Hopefully everyone knows that it's just a first impression of one person not a valid summary of the whole country or the people within.

Accomodationsharing · 16/09/2024 10:07

DrinkElephants · 15/09/2024 20:38

Oslo, Norway although I think our experience was tainted slightly by the fact it rained and rained and rained and rained!

Santorini, it was nice but once you’d seen the sunset etc. the novelty wore off pretty quick and it felt like we were trying to kill time the rest of the week. We did Crete and much preferred that as there was a lot more stuff to do.

Weve just come back from Milan today and I was not a fan! We normally love Italy but it felt so busy and just a bit meh compared to other Italian cities.

Australia and New Zealand I would do again BUT only if we fly business class. The flight killed me!! But I did like the destination.

We have been in Australia a few times; you get use to the flight but we also stop over one night which make it easier

mewkins · 16/09/2024 10:07

armadillio · 15/09/2024 20:49

New York. Horrible place, our supposedly 4 star hotel had bed bugs and towels weren’t changed despite requests. Sight seeing was meh, people were rude. Just felt cold all the time. Cold on top of Empire State Building. Cold whilst passing the Statue of Liberty in a ferry.

I've been to New York in February and never known cold like it. Also yes unspeakably rude shop assistants etc. I felt rushed all the time. And it felt grubby.

Theyhadalovelytime · 16/09/2024 10:08

Sorrelia · 15/09/2024 21:02

When did you all go to Tunisia ? I went when I was 20 as a solo traveller and stayed for 3 weeks, I never ever had any problem being harassed or men coming onto me. I wore a scarf on my head and long sleeves/long trousers though, maybe that saved me from it?
But yeah, no issue and I was alone everywhere, and we're not speaking nice hotels here but hostels on the suburbs of Tunis and Tunis itself. quite unsafe when I read about your experiences actually!

The only country I genuinely hated was Vietnam. Everyone I met was rude and horrible. It was awfully dirty and I am used to big bustling Asian cities, but this was just terrible, and not in a cool exotic kind of way. The pollution was so thick it burned my.mouth, I felt sorry for the locals living in this smoke. I had an amazing experience in neighbouring Myanmar and Thailand.

I will never set a foot in Vietnam anymore.

I adored Vietnam and the people were some of the loveliest I've ever met! Pollution no different to any other big cities

GreatBigBeautifulTommorow · 16/09/2024 10:09

Tunisia- leery men and felt unsafe.

Yazzi · 16/09/2024 10:10

Fink · 16/09/2024 09:36

UAE/Oman. I only went to visit family, neither would have been on my list of countries I'd like to visit. I won't be going back in a hurry.

USA, except I'd really like to try the Appalachian Trail. I might consider doing an equivalent trail in Canada instead. The USA is stunningly beautiful in parts, and I do have friends that I'd like to visit, but several things about the culture put me off. Some of it sounds silly (e.g. the US flag being prominently displayed in Catholic churches); it just all builds up to a picture of a place where I feel very uneasy.

I've only been to one country in southeast Asia, but my peanut allergy combined with not speaking the local language made it very difficult. I won't try it again unless I've spent some time learning the language and very carefully researching where I could safely eat.

Oman surprises me (UAE doesn't)- I've heard amazing things about the natural beauty there as well as kind and friendly people, great food. Why didn't you like it?

Harry12345 · 16/09/2024 10:10

DonnaBanana · 16/09/2024 10:02

Scotland. I had so many problems there. Firstly the midges are terrible I have never seen or been bitten by so many. Also I ordered sausage with my breakfast and it came like a slice of sausage toast not a sausage. Plus I am okay with foreign languages but mangling up my own language of English is just not on they are proper weird up there and it’s just too unsettling for me.

Is this a joke?

moodiemoo · 16/09/2024 10:10

NotMyCircusss · 16/09/2024 09:54

It is very safe. Younger women can experience groping though, but in general you can walk home at night and it’s literally the safest country in the world that way. Osaka though is known as the rough uncouth part of Japan, they’re different there (my dh is Japanese and I’ve lived there, I’m far East Asian myself).

Osaka is just like a concrete sprawl and not worth visiting imo. Also the only time I experienced rudeness in Japan. A woman cut in front of me at a queue at a shrine, which is just so unthinkable to do…Her teenage daughter was so embarrassed and tried to tell her not to do that, but the mother was giving me the evils just for existing and tried to justify it as fine. I speak some Japanese and my listening comprehension is pretty good so I could understand most of what they were saying, which I’m sure the mother would have had no idea of 🙄. The daughter was really nice though and kept trying to give me apologetic looks so that offset the experience a bit. Still, I have no need to ever return to Osaka.

Haaaaaaan · 16/09/2024 10:11

Christwosheds · 16/09/2024 10:06

I might be visiting next year with dds (17, 19) so I am worried by this. Groping on public transport - uggh, not what I expected.
Very depressing how almost every post here is about places being horrible to visit because of the predatory behaviour of men. I thought of Japan as somewhere women could feel pretty safe.
Paris as a young woman was shocking in terms of sexual harrassment. I was groped, had a man grab my breasts in the street , constant cat calling and hassle. It was frightening. I loved the look of the city but the people were very rude and unfriendly, and the men were horrible. I wonder if it would be different now as an older woman ?

Re paris, yes I think so. I went aged 16 (someone called social services eh Kirsty 😂) with female friends and we drank and went to clubs, we had men hit on us but no groping or scary behaviour. I do find in general french men cross the line of what I think is acceptable more than English, like just a bit too pushy.
Nearly 20 years later whenever I've been back Paris has been fine. Admittedly rarely walked around alone though.
No scrap that, I did a 2 week language course in my 20s staying on my own in Paris. Not a single issue! I wouldn't worry about it any more than London.

JHound · 16/09/2024 10:11

Christwosheds · 16/09/2024 10:06

I might be visiting next year with dds (17, 19) so I am worried by this. Groping on public transport - uggh, not what I expected.
Very depressing how almost every post here is about places being horrible to visit because of the predatory behaviour of men. I thought of Japan as somewhere women could feel pretty safe.
Paris as a young woman was shocking in terms of sexual harrassment. I was groped, had a man grab my breasts in the street , constant cat calling and hassle. It was frightening. I loved the look of the city but the people were very rude and unfriendly, and the men were horrible. I wonder if it would be different now as an older woman ?

I lived in Paris as a year and never really had any issue then nor when I visited since although yes men would approach me on the street to ask for my number (but not in a disrespectful way). I went back recently and was largely ignored which was quite nice! I am middle aged though now.

LLresident · 16/09/2024 10:12

Israel i was new to feel very unwelcome although the country itself is beautiful and so interesting especially Jerusalem…. Vietnam same experience, there is a lot of hostility towards westerners just imho…. and Thailand although the locals were really nice, it’s clean and beautiful all the horrible old white men with young Thai wives ruin it.

Surf2Live · 16/09/2024 10:14

I've been travelling constantly for 4 years now, staying weeks to months in each place. I surf so avoid large cities and stay in smaller towns / villages on the coast. Have been to 24 countries, currently in the south of Morocco.

I'll never go back to Peru. Good surf, but the worst rubbish problem I've ever seen. Stray dogs everywhere in pitiful conditions. Surly people (and I speak Spanish so it wasn't a language problem).

I'll never come back to Morocco after I've left either. Rubbish, stray dogs and cats in pitiful condition and the gender imbalance in public (many more men than women) makes me feel less safe. Have found the people to be nice so far though.

To balance this with something positive, so far my favourite country is England. I LOVE the cosy pubs, good food, polite people, ability to queue properly and stunning countryside. I stayed end winter / throughout spring and don't mind the weather. If the surf was better I'd consider living there. I'm from New Zealand and I consider England beautiful, so my comparison is a high bar.

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