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Why are the NHS making access to 'fat jabs' almost impossible.

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thefishingboatbobbingsea · 28/07/2024 10:20

I cannot get my head around why the GPs are not being encouraged to prescribe the new weight-loss injections such as Mounjaro (MJ) . Instead, this NICE approved medication is only available via the NHS Tier 3 pathway for weight-loss .

I went down this road 4 years ago It is mostly a complete waste of time and smacks of making the 'fat people jump through hoops ' as a punishment for getting in that state to begin with.

Tier 3 for me , consisted of waiting 8 months for the referral appointment, driving an 86 mile round trip to the only hospital in the area with an obesity clinic. (Lucky I drive otherwise it's over 6 hours on the train).
Then being weighed. Then sitting in a 'workshop' where we are given amazing revelations such as (promise this is true) a pork pie has more calories in it than an omelette, that processed sugar laden food is worse for you than salad. That protein keeps you feeling fuller than a doughnut...(I can only assume that the NHS believe that old stereotype of Fat=Stupid. )

You have to do that every 6 weeks for about 9 months before you are eligible to go forward for your conversion with the surgical team to discuss the option of gastric sleeve, or gastric bypass. (Tier 4) then wait a further 6 months for the surgery.

I jumped through these hoops and had my surgery. I had gone from 19st to 21st while waiting to go /being on Tier 3/4.. so a complete waste of NHS time, my time and everyone's effort. Not to mention the massive cost of all the salaries of receptionist, nurses, dieticians involved.

I lost 7 stone. Which was obviously great . The difference in my health was astounding. Before surgery I was on medication for high blood pressure. A statin, metformin (type 2 diabetes) cortisone injections for painful knees. Thyroxine and associated clinics and monitoring.

Post surgery I am no longer diabetic. Have no knee problems. BP no longer high and the only medication I still take is Thyroxine. I was still 3stone 4lbs overweight. I go to the gym 5 days a week, I eat healthily, but I was only maintaining not losing. Probably due to being post menopausal.

However I am acutely aware of the health issues associated with obesity. (I was still obese with a BMI of 31 from 44 at my heaviest) and decided to investigate the new range of weight loss jabs. I settled on Mounjaro and am 19lbs down in 9 weeks. It's such an amazing tool for weight loss.

So my question is this. Given that obesity is the greatest single cost to the NHS why on earth are they not making MJ or Ozempic available from a GP. ? rather than the long winded and entirely pointless 'tier3 tier 4' nonsense. ?

Why is it that the wealthy are able to lose weight successfully without 'workshops' telling them that Pork pies are more unhealthy than omelettes. ? Or is it just an extension of that fat = stupid stereotype.. to poor=fat=stupid ?

AIBU fat loss jabs should not be available via the GP.

YANBU fat loss jabs work. The NHS will save a lot of money with fewer people suffering obesity related diseases. The benefit will far outweigh the cost.

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wombat15 · 28/10/2024 12:13

SilenceInside · 28/10/2024 12:01

@JudyP is this different to any other recent drug on the market? Is there something specific about GLP-1 agonists that concern you, or does your caution apply to all new medicines?

It almost seems like people are wishing serious side effects on obese people for daring to use a licensed medication that is available to them to treat obesity.

There is a difference in that other drugs are used to treat diseases that have already occurred and therefore it is easier to weigh up the benefits versus risks. Obesity isn't a disease in itself and while it might have health consequences in the future, lifestyle changes reduce the risk as much, if not more than a GLP-1 agonist.

SilenceInside · 28/10/2024 12:17

@wombat15 so for you, there is likely never to be a justification for using any kind of medication to treat obesity, because lifestyle changes are sufficient. Yet, obese people don't make lifestyle changes, even though they are extremely well aware of the consequences of obesity and particularly of morbid obesity. So, what is your suggested solution to address obesity, given all of that?

wombat15 · 28/10/2024 18:14

SilenceInside · 28/10/2024 12:17

@wombat15 so for you, there is likely never to be a justification for using any kind of medication to treat obesity, because lifestyle changes are sufficient. Yet, obese people don't make lifestyle changes, even though they are extremely well aware of the consequences of obesity and particularly of morbid obesity. So, what is your suggested solution to address obesity, given all of that?

I haven't said that there is never any justification. I am pointing out that the benefit to risk is not as easy to evaluate.

LBFseBrom · 29/10/2024 14:15

Deleted because on first glance I thought it was about 'flu jab. D'oh!

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