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A parking one! With diagram.

27 replies

IndigoHexagon · 25/06/2024 15:07

Sorry this is long to avoid drip feeding!

We live on a small little housing estate of 14 houses in a very small, mainly friendly, rural village.

Houses 1-5 are privately owned ex council houses, 6-14 are bungalows, a couple privately owned but most are still owned by the local authority. They have very low turnover of residents and are mainly occupied by older people or people who have mobility issues.

Earlier this year, the resident of no6 died and for the first time in about 8 years we have a new couple living here, they moved in four weeks ago. They have no visible disabilities or a blue badge that suggests they need specific parking.

it’s been a nightmare with parking since they moved in. Thankfully they are only living here on the weekends as their child goes to school in the nearby small city which is about 12 miles away and is in a different local authority so they stay in the city Sunday-Thursday nights (who knew you could use a council owned property as your weekend in the country place).

Anyway. The estate has a car park without marked spaces or allocated parking but can hold, if everyone parked sensibly, about 22-25 cars. Plus, houses 1-5 park outside their houses. There is enough room to do this and still have another car drive around the L shaped road into the car park, which we all use to turn around in.

the top of the L is too narrow to park on and have another car pass - you can’t even have two cars pass on this stretch (unless they are really small cars!)

There have been occasions when house 3 has parked a little too close to the corner (green star) and has been scrapped by an ambulance trying to get around the corner (we have a lot of elderly people who have needed help from emergency services from time to time). If there is someone parked there, you often have to mount the pavement on the opposite side to get around without hitting it.

as I’ve said, we’ve all lived here a while and tend to park in the same places, without too much grumbling. We don’t (in the main) get precious about guests parking in front of our houses for short visits for example, or workmen and delivery drivers. It’s no big deal to park in the car park, it’s a really short walk, and no one has babies or children in pushchairs to consider these days). Only house 5 really needs to park outside their house as the lady is disabled, but has never needed to get it marked as such, because we all just take it as being her space.

I’m sure you can see where this is going.

New residents keep parking in the two spaces in red. Everyone has to mount the curb and squeeze around the corner to the car park. If available they will also park in houses 4 and 5 traditional spots. House 4 grumbles but knows they aren’t entitled but it’s causing real problems for house 5.

On the weekend, there was a big commotion in the street and when I looked out of my window, the new people were screaming at the residents of 4+5 that one of them has scrapped their car while it was parked in the corner red space. Other neighbours came out to see what was going on (I didn’t, I just watched from my window!).

The new couple were awful - swearing at everyone saying they had every right to park where they wanted (which they do to a degree) and that there were going to find out who had scratched their car and ‘knock their lights out!’

It’s a small area and the news of this spread and today a group of the older residents have knocked on my door.

They have asked me for report the parking concerns to the council. Apparently the whole estate have already done so, and the neighbours involved in the fracas have reported the threatening behaviour to housing, and they only living here on weekends. Also, the local grapevine has it that the new people have been moved into the estate from a neighbouring village where there were evicted for antisocial behaviour and robbing from the old people! They’ve also reported that it’s not being lived in full time.

The older residents have also started a petition for the council to add double yellow lines along the top of the narrow L road and to paint in spaces and allocate them.

The awful parking does affect us, we also have to risk either scratching vehicles or mounting the curb (and potentially scratching the wall on that side).

Are we being unreasonable to report them so much after they’ve been living here such a short space of time? Should they be given a chance? They literally kicked off the first time they were gently approached (because of concern of damage for both their cars and ours!) but are the long term residents potentially being a bit precious?

A parking one! With diagram.
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LordSnot · 25/06/2024 15:10

Do you honestly think it would be unreasonable to report them?

FuzzyStripes · 25/06/2024 15:12

Report them. They’ve had long enough. Your neighbour who needs the disabled space should also get that formalised with the council.

IndigoHexagon · 25/06/2024 15:15

Due to their behaviour this weekend - no I don’t think so.

But I’m trying to see it from their point of view. From such a short period of time, how were they supposed to know how established the parking traditions were, or that the red areas were no park zones - for car health and safety - unless someone took the time to say something? Which they could have done sooner!

I’m also aware that just because the grape vine says one thing doesn’t mean it’s true, and I’d hate that these people might being unfairly judged for something.

Also - despite our parking traditions they ARE entitled to park in any spot they like, none of them are owned or allocated!

I just feel a little guilty that the estate may have come over a little unwelcoming.

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CarsClueless · 25/06/2024 15:16

The disabled neighbour should qualify for a dedicated space being painted/reserved for them.

You're not unreasonable for being annoyed, but also legally it's their 'right' to park wherever.

Morally crap though.

There's always one!

LordSnot · 25/06/2024 15:21

You're way overthinking it. They're aggressive and threatening, support your neighbours in getting rid of them.

Swissrollover · 25/06/2024 15:43

It looks like out of everyone, 6 is expected to park the furthest away from their home, due to tradition, while the majority can park outside their own homes.

I can understand why they want to park closer, or at least have the same opportunity to do so as the other neighbours, but sounds like they have gone about things in an unpleasant manner,

Were you there when they were "gently approached' and know that it was the first time, or is it possible that you don't know the full details of the initial interactions?

ButterCrackers · 25/06/2024 15:48

How come they have a council house and another residence? That needs reporting to the housing department.

MaggieFS · 25/06/2024 15:58

Just because you can park where you like, doesn't mean you park in way which blocks other peoples access. If they want to park closer, they should just park in front of no.4, for example.

No. 5 should get a disabled bay marked out.

It sounds like the tight corner does need double yellows.

NotARealWookiie · 25/06/2024 15:58

If they aren’t occupying a council house then it should be reported.

Antisocial behaviour should be reported.

House 5 needs to apply for a disabled space outside their property.

Yes technically everyone can park where they like but you’ve had a nice peaceful friendly community and the new people have disrupted the cohesion

Pootles34 · 25/06/2024 16:02

The parking is a red herring. They are abusive to elderly neighbours, and also only living their at the weekends - I assume against the rules? Report them for that.

WiddlinDiddlin · 25/06/2024 16:10

For those saying the resident in need of a blue badge space should 'apply'... its not just a matter of applying, it may not be approved and if it IS it is often a few hundred quid, which they may not have. It also means anyone with a blue badge can park there, its not reserved for one specific person.

I'd report them for not actually living in the property. The spaces where you've marked are 'don't park here its not safe' should be patently obvious to anyone with a brain as to WHY no one parks there. They shouldn't really need to be told, the only conversation necessary is the one with No. 5 as that might not be immediately apparent.

IndigoHexagon · 25/06/2024 16:19

Swissrollover · 25/06/2024 15:43

It looks like out of everyone, 6 is expected to park the furthest away from their home, due to tradition, while the majority can park outside their own homes.

I can understand why they want to park closer, or at least have the same opportunity to do so as the other neighbours, but sounds like they have gone about things in an unpleasant manner,

Were you there when they were "gently approached' and know that it was the first time, or is it possible that you don't know the full details of the initial interactions?

I wasn’t there - I have heard straight from the person who spoke to them though and she’s always been a lovely lady, so can’t imagine she’d have gone in guns blazing. But I do always try and not believe 100% everything I’m told - two sides and all that.

They have only been there at the weekends so far because of the daughter and school, but they’ve told no3 that they will be spending the summer here 100%. From what they told no3, I believe they spend their time split between ‘his’ city house and ‘her’ bungalow here as they have both kept their own residences and are not officially co-habiting.

I’ve been online this afternoon and found our council procedure for getting a disabled bay for no5. It’s just a form (for the first step) so I’ve printed it and dropped it round to them.

I will stand-by the long term neighbours, and report the parking, and any issues that may come up with them and my family.

My husband works away some of the time and very occasionally has to bring home a large van, which spends the night in the car park before he takes it back to the business that owns it. It comes here when he arrives home in the early hours. There is no where else to leave it safely (for the van and other road users) other than the car park and of their parking stops him getting around that corner at 3am, I’m not quite sure what he’ll do! 😁

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Portakalkedi · 25/06/2024 16:26

Don't know about the parking but I'd be reporting the couple using the council property as a weekend home. There are many in need of such housing who don't have the luxury of two homes. They sound like cheating scumbags.

IncompleteSenten · 25/06/2024 16:30

Yes, report them. Sounds like they are getting housing they aren't actually entitled to for a start. And they've clearly started how they mean to go on so if you don't do something now, they're just going to get worse.

Valeriekat · 25/06/2024 16:30

Isn't parking opposite a road illegal?

Swissrollover · 25/06/2024 16:31

There is a possibility of benefit fraud too, if they are emphasising that they are not officially cohabiting.

FuzzyStripes · 25/06/2024 16:31

IndigoHexagon · 25/06/2024 15:15

Due to their behaviour this weekend - no I don’t think so.

But I’m trying to see it from their point of view. From such a short period of time, how were they supposed to know how established the parking traditions were, or that the red areas were no park zones - for car health and safety - unless someone took the time to say something? Which they could have done sooner!

I’m also aware that just because the grape vine says one thing doesn’t mean it’s true, and I’d hate that these people might being unfairly judged for something.

Also - despite our parking traditions they ARE entitled to park in any spot they like, none of them are owned or allocated!

I just feel a little guilty that the estate may have come over a little unwelcoming.

But where they park isn’t the issue. The issue is their reaction.

littlegrebe · 25/06/2024 16:38

5 needs a proper disabled space (though it won't be exclusively hers). The green star needs double yellows - you can't have people parking there if it blocks emergency access and no one should be mounting the pavement.

These little cul de sacs are generally not marked because it's assumed residents are sensible people who will work it out between themselves. Unfortunately you now have some residents who have decided not to be sensible, so it needs spelling out. They sound like the sort of people who think if something's not illegal it's fine to do it and bollocks to everyone else. You can't fix them, they chose to be this way.

AquaFurball · 25/06/2024 16:53

Report the abuse of tenancy and it should solve the problem. If the woman is the tenant and only lives there 2 nights a week she is in breach of any local authority. Living with him 5 nights elsewhere and him being there at weekends is co-habiting and if there's housing benefit being paid, it's fraud if he doesn't claim to live there as there will also be council tax discount for single adult.

Only needs discussed with housing officer. Had the same living situation (5 /2) with a neighbour here and HO evicted them after 4 weeks monitoring.

LakeTiticaca · 25/06/2024 17:02

I would be reporting them for council house fraud, like right now, today

Jaxhog · 25/06/2024 17:16

While they are entitled to park wherever, it's only sensible to park in such a way as not to cause difficulties for other people. Several things strike me -

Your disabled resident needs a marked parking bay. This will mean your new neighbours allowing access to it i.e. not blocking it. It would have worth telling them about your disabled neighbour when they first moved in, but it's probably too late now.

If they continue to park in a way that prevents you moving your car without the risk of injuring their car, call them to move their car or call the police if they refuse. Every. Single. Time.

I think it unlikely that your council will paint allocated spaces, although they might paint double yellows maybe.

If you think they are abusing their entitlement to a council house, then you should report it. Keep a record of when they are there, and when they are not.

Good Luck!

IndigoHexagon · 25/06/2024 17:23

Gosh - I hadn’t even thought about the possible housing fraud being the bigger issue. I’ve got an email for housing off the council website that I’ll contact once the kids have been fed.

I think the parking opposite a junction / road thing is more Highway Code than anything else.

It’s been suggested the whole cul de sac gets yellow lines (with disabled bay in that corner) and we all park in the car park but we’d definitely need bays painted in that case - we recently had to all use the car park while some work was done that meant digging up the street and the parking was somewhat creative!

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Greenflamesburn · 25/06/2024 17:28

Is this a Local authority/Council House?
No they don't give them out for weekend use only. They are to be lived in full time. Let LA know if this is the case, they will take action to move in people that need it.

Londonrach1 · 25/06/2024 17:31

Forget the parking..the fact they two houses needs reporting..they shouldn't get a council property if they already got a house. You sure you know the full story

mewkins · 25/06/2024 17:44

I would report them for being abusive and aggressive and making threats. That's not OK and I wouldn't wait for it to get worse before reporting.

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