To want the private school people to shut up noq

[Rescuereivers]

i am a parent with a private school
child in secondary school, and state primary child.

I mean I get it that your kids will suffer if you pull them out. But why did you not factor in a rise in costs and make damn sure you could afford it first? Cause state school is not THAT bad, and if it is in your area, there are places you can move to. if you could only just scrape by with the fees when you put them in, well that’s just reckless, and your fault not Labours.

And if your child has SEN then that’s awful, but it’s awful for parents in state schools with SEN kids too.

Please stop with the whining, cause state and private school parents alike are both heartily sick of hearing you moan.

(and you really sound like a Conservative HQ bot employed to put scare tactics on. You’ve gone over the top and it’s beginning to backfire).

Yes you don’t NEED to spend it you still CHOOSE to spend it.
Just own it FGS

And if your child has SEN then that’s awful, but it’s awful for parents in state schools with SEN kids too.

Can I add on all the threads where private school parents say WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS WITH SEN? Over and over. If you didn't give a shit about those of us with kids with SEN before this, don't pretend you care now.

It's being used as a Trojan Horse to pretend it's some societal good that your child gets a better education than mine. At least own that you buy privilege. Style it out!

Huge amounts of it are going to teachers pension fund. And on bursaries. Around 25% of kids get some kind of assistance for school fees. They will be the first that need to leave followed by the parents that scrabble around and just about afford it. Labour are right - it won't affect the rich - but the middle classes will be priced out. Also, the £7k quoted per state school pupil doesn't include the teachers pension contributions apparently - the real figure is more like £10k.

Also if you don’t want the rise @kanet fair enough but don’t put the onus on impoverished families whose children will be deprived of an education entirely as the solution.

It seems you expect understanding and sympathy for YOUR vulnerable child but are happy to shit all over other people’s

No

Why not?

Did you not choose the school?

The school I chose wouldn't take him.

The average private school is £18k so around 2.4 times state funding. As you say, staff costs account for a lot of it. It’s not just about class sizes. They often have more subjects as well, plus specialist sports teachers etc. Some of the extra will be on things like private schools not being able to reclaim input VAT (unlike state schools), providing meals in the fees, longer school days (sometimes 6 days a week), sometimes older buildings requiring lots of upkeep etc

Agree I get it that people would be annoyed that something they pay for is suddenly a lot more expensive.

But the amount of arguments show complete lack of awareness of how privileged they are. Reminds me of Rishi and his Sky subscription

So they forced you to pay for private school?

There are many things on MN I find very, very annoying. I just don't read them. It's that easy.

Yes, they held a gun to my head.

Sounds like where I work 😂

YANBU

Madame is most heartily fatigued by it all.

You should count yourself lucky that you’ve never experienced such a school.

Come to Glasgow and you’ll see schools exactly like this. Where young people, boys especially, get swallowed up by the culture they are surrounded by.

Many people feel they have no option but to privately educate their children because they cannot afford to buy into a good school catchement. £250,000 over the course of 12 years is much more affordable for many than being able to take on the costs of a £1,000,000 plus home.

Many children who attend private school comes from families who are really not as wealthy as people think.

Anyone reading the manifesto know if private SEN schools are exempt from VAT?

The vast majority of SEN private places are funded by the LA, but will they need to find another 20%?

There was talk last year about one of my sons schools folding if this was the case. So that would be interesting as then that's 550 sen students to place somewhere.

These are kids who already came from mainstream state and reached the end of the road with it

Many (most?) private schools have left the teachers pension fund. State schools of course do not have that option.

You are incorrect about how pension contributions are funded in state schools, they come out of the money that the government gives schools per pupil, except for the most recent increase, which was covered for one year by the government.

no, not informally it isnt.

I will decide what I write and my dick be bigger’n yourn, nah nah na nah nah

how would you recognise things as very annoying unless or until you read them?
or as I do, oftimes halfway through a banal post before sighing and scrolling on?

It’s believed that there will be a very specific VAT exemption for those who have an EHCP which specifically states a private setting. Details would only be released after a autumn statement I’d guess.

Labour have set out their stall. So have the other parties. The good news is that we live in a democracy. If you like it vote for it. If you don’t, don’t. We as a country will live with the consequences. The constant threads are not changing anyone’s mind.

I think the suggestion was that they’d only exempt fees from VAT where the LEA was funding the place, ie not necessarily where there is an EHCP but where the parents are paying.

I guess we will see soon enough. But bear in mind I know there are local indi SEN schools who charge 150k. That's an extra 30k per year to the LA so let's hope someone has crunched those figures

Anyway talking about it or not doesn't change anything for me. It was never a choice to have kids with SEN and I don't feel privileged either.

Whatever happens tax payers will pay our VAT

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