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To think charging an electric car with just the 3 pin plug for 4 months is not a good idea

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Catsinacot · 31/01/2024 03:40

DH has ordered himself a new electric car. We have spoken about it for a while and agreed it's a good call for us. However, he's ordered the car and then arranged for an at home charger to be installed through our energy supplier who have told us it's likely to be 16 weeks until they can install.

DH says this is fine, we'll just charge it at home using the 3 pin plug. DH does a lot of miles, probably 300 a week so this feels completely unfeasible to me given the charge will be so slow. Also, im worried trying to change that much on a normal plug will overheat the plug. We did have our electric mains fuse board upgraded 3 years ago so DH says there's no risk but I'm worried.
WIBU to tell him to cancel the order and just wait until the at home charger arrives? He ordered through an online retailer so he can cancel.

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MoFoFlo · 31/01/2024 10:39

Does your DH have chargers at his place of work? DH has an EV as his company car, there are chargers provided at two of the offices he works at so rarely needs to charge it outside of work time. He occasionally uses local charging stations. Never had to charge at home and has now decided not to bother getting a charge point fitted.

Flopsythebunny · 31/01/2024 10:43

Hereyoume · 31/01/2024 08:16

I hope you haven't bought that car, leasing maybe, but not actually bought.

The value of EV's is going to crash dramatically over the next 12 months, most industry people are predicting at least 40 percent.

And a 3 pin plug isn't even a consideration, tell your DH to forget that fantasy. It's public chargers for the next few months.

This is all nonsense. Many ev owners only use a granny charger without a problem.
An ice car will depreciate at least 30% in its first 3 years

GasPanic · 31/01/2024 10:56

The short answer is that charging with a granny charger (3 pin plug) is fine provided your electrical infrastructure is in good shape. Manufacturers would not produce systems to do this unless it was safe.

The caveat in the above statement of course is "provided your electrical infrastructure is in good shape". A granny charger will draw about 10A. There is nothing pluggable in your house that will draw that amount of current for that long a time (many hours to charge). Kettles and toasters maybe, but for short periods. Tumble driers possibly the only thing that will come close, cookers will, but are normally hardwired. In other words, nothing is going to test out better whether or not your wiring and connections are in good shape.

And let's face it, a lot of houses have electrical wiring that is in a pretty shocking state and has not been rewired for half a century and checked in 20 years.

I have recently acquired a hybrid and use the granny charger off a dedicated spur. You need to be careful if for example you are running it off a ring, because if you are running other high power devices off the same ring that may cause the fuse to trip, or worse overload the wiring without the fuse tripping if it is in a bad state. When I ran mine for the first time I ran it on half power (5A) and checked everything was not getting too hot. I then started running at 10A. The sockets and wires (in what I consider to be a well maintained installation) rose in temperature by about 5C, so you can tell that the system is being worked.

What I would not do is plug in a system on full power for the first time on an old and poorly maintained electrical installation and then skip off merrily down the park for 8 hours with your kids and then leave it to the gods to decide whether by the time you come back your house isn't a smoldering wreck. If you have any doubts at all about the integrity of your wiring it should be checked out by a competent electrician beforehand in my opinion.

Re the chargers, you can get I think 3.2kW and 7.2kW installed at home easily. 3.2 will charge about 1.5x faster than the plug (2.4kW), 7.2 3x faster. So faster but still not particularly quickly. When the dedicated charges are installed the electrician will make sure the wiring is highly rated to account for the demand. I think the DNO (which people incorrectly call the "National Grid" on here) need to be notified for a 7.2kW charger. Not so sure about the 3.2kW. You may need the DNO fuse (next to the meter) upgraded from 60A to 100A for the 7.2kW and if your house is on a shared supply that may need to be split. I do not know whether the DNO charges for this or not. Personally I think getting a wall box installed is a great way of making sure your infrastructure is up to the challenge and that the wiring is all correctly rated. There are also some other things about wallboxes that make them more suitable for long term charging, but you can look then up on the web if you are interested.

Re the range, I can charge about 30 miles in 4 hours. So with a granny charger you should easily be able to charge 300 miles per week.

Re the cost, obviously you will save more with a tariff, but you do not need one to save money.

My last car was a diesel and very efficient at 50 mpg. That works out to about 12 miles per litre. One litre of diesel is about £1.50, so that is about 12.5p a mile.

At the current price cap electricity is about 30p per kWh. My car takes 4 hours @ 2.4 kW to charge for 30 miles, ie about 10 kWh per 30 miles, or 3 miles per kWh which works out to be about 10p per mile. So cheaper than the very efficient diesel and hopefully the electric price will come down soon.

MrsJamin · 31/01/2024 12:55

If you're on Octopus you can keep the car plugged in but hand over the charge/don't charge signal to them, so that you only charge when you get a low tariff. This has a great benefit that the whole house is then covered by a low tariff, even if it's the middle of the day. This is to take care of surplus in the grid (windy days it seems) and is pretty unpredictable but at the moment it seems that we always get it when we plug in and the car needs to charge. Then it presents a big saving and we do a bunch of washing / batch cooking.

fiftiesmum · 31/01/2024 13:11

Slow charging is better for the car - the rapid chargers can make the battery heat up.
Plug in every night and if you have night tariff then you will have almost free fuel.

LongTimeListener1 · 31/01/2024 22:21

fiftiesmum · 31/01/2024 13:11

Slow charging is better for the car - the rapid chargers can make the battery heat up.
Plug in every night and if you have night tariff then you will have almost free fuel.

Yes but in practice the difference in heat generation per kWH between charging at 3kW off the plug or 7kW off a home charger is really small.

toastandtwo · 31/01/2024 22:27

We’ve been charging two cars off 3 pin plugs for nearly 5 years now. Nothing has spontaneously combusted yet (touch wood!)

fiftiesmum · 31/01/2024 23:03

@LongTimeListener1 the two types of home charger are both fine - it is the rapid chargers on the road which can cause problems if used too much.
The problem we have found with a three pin plug is having it dangling out of the window or through a letter box

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 31/01/2024 23:08

I'm assuming the 16 wait time is Octopus OP. We had the same thing recently, so decided to get a local electrician to install one for us, it cost a bit more, but it was worth it to get something installed quickly. Using a 3-pin plus for a length of time didn't appeal to me.

Has he paid for the charger install already? Can he cancel if you find an alternative installer?

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