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To want a job, any job, but just not in teaching!

135 replies

LorlieS · 04/01/2024 08:16

I need out!

20 years in education but enough is enough.

Any suggestions re my next job? 😀

OP posts:
cardibach · 05/01/2024 12:49

TizerorFizz · 05/01/2024 11:06

In addition, 58% of grads in Lincolnshire don’t do graduate level work. Cumbria isn’t far behind. Hopefully these areas are not short of teachers. The dislike of teaching by teachers that comes across loud and clear puts people off. Who wants to join a complaining workforce? Many want to work in a happy and supportive atmosphere. Not a striking one or a negative one. Schools and mats have the power to change the ethos and atmosphere in a school but often highly paid SLTs are poor and not good enough. After all they are teachers, not job design specialists.

Teachers are incredibly supportive of each other. It’s government and (some) SLTs who cause the stress. Strikes are pretty rare. In my 35 year career I’ve been in strike 3 times (and missed one because I was in the private sector at the time). If teachers are negative it’s because the job has become impossible. I bloody love teaching. It’s great. Being a teacher though? No thanks. Do you want us to lie to graduates to dupe them in? In part, we do. Huge numbers of those persuaded to train drop out before completion or don’t make it to 5 years in the profession (after 4 years of training). It’s not what people say about teaching that’s the issue. It’s what there is to say about it.

To address a precious pout , they don’t want to be self employed. They want to be able to carry on teaching, but it’s not possible. Did you miss where I said burnout drive me out early? I couldn’t work at all, self employed or otherwise, for a good 6 months and could no longer work full time. A highly qualified and experienced friend spent 6 weeks as an inpatient in a mental health facility and now works as admin for a small business on way less money.
It’s not about the money. It’s about well-being and self preservation.

cardibach · 05/01/2024 13:29

Excuse typos. Precious pout = previous point 🤣

imatapayphone · 05/01/2024 13:57

Hi again, OP, a course doesn't necessarily need to be BACP accredited for you to become BACP registered, it just needs to map to BACP requirements and then you can do a certificate of proficiency (it's a simple multiple choice exam at the end).

So requirements for BACP are (I think) 400 hours of classroom training, 100 practice hours, certain amount of supervision and personal therapy.

Can you post the course? I can have a look and see if it could lead to BACP registration.

As an aside, the BACP is in disarray at the moment and lots of members are moving to other membership bodies. I only stay with them because of their household name status, lots of jobs don't ask for BACP membership specifically, just to be a member of a professional body.

AnnieMaeve · 05/01/2024 14:35

TizerorFizz · 05/01/2024 11:00

Schools found it difficult to recruit all through the last Labour government too. Of courses wages could be increased if pension contributions from the government were reduced. It’s clear many don’t value them as they went to do a reduced number of hours and be self employed. It’s not keeping teachers or attracting teachers at all. So why not change it and have a greater salary? Or at least have a choice?

Teaching is not the worst paid grad profession either. As most teachers never see what others get they do not always make the best comparisons. As many stem grads can get other jobs, I do agree to comparisons there. Arts grads, not so much. Plus around here I see teachers retiring before anyone else and many have had well paid HOD jobs in schools or better. Heads are on £100,000 plus so decent earnings to aspire to.

Heads are not all on £100,000 plus!)
Only heads of large schools, very nearly all secondary, or CEO’s of MATS earn £100,000 plus.
In primary, in my LA, an average HT’s salary is £60,000. And once heads hit the top range of the size of the school, there are no more increments, without moving to so where larger.

Leadership scales start at half the £100,000 you claim (£51,347 in Sep 2022) so only slightly more now.
https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/static/3002935a-8e0b-4649-abd52e248904025c/Teachers-Pay-Scales-202324-The-Fringe.pdf

https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/static/3002935a-8e0b-4649-abd52e248904025c/Teachers-Pay-Scales-202324-The-Fringe.pdf

whyphone · 05/01/2024 17:45

Sorry op just realised I didn't answer the DC question.

My DC were 7 and 9 when I did it, so older but we managed ok. I actually did it (somehow) without paid childcare as I wfh in the afternoons and on my Uni days a friend had them after school then I had hers after school two other days.

If you really want to do it, you will make it happen.

TizerorFizz · 05/01/2024 21:26

I was meaning secondary schools. Many primary schools are group 3. So up to £82,252. The lowest pay scale (1) goes up to £71,019. Not riches but with good performance reviews, hardly any head is on £60,000 unless they are very new and the school is small.

cardibach · 05/01/2024 21:50

TizerorFizz · 05/01/2024 21:26

I was meaning secondary schools. Many primary schools are group 3. So up to £82,252. The lowest pay scale (1) goes up to £71,019. Not riches but with good performance reviews, hardly any head is on £60,000 unless they are very new and the school is small.

How many staff are they managing? How many of those are professionally qualified? How many different types of staff? How does that salary compare with someone managing the same number of people in the same diversity of roles in other sectors?
In those other sectors, are managers also responsible for the physical and mental safety of possibly hundreds of vulnerable people and for legal safeguarding?
Being a head is a very complex role. In any other sector, the market would decide pay (I mean, we keep being told bankers must get massive bonuses or else they’ll leave). Well, we can’t recruit heads on the current pay levels - what would the market say about that?

OlympicProcrastinator · 05/01/2024 22:02

benjaminny · 04/01/2024 11:55

This is fascinating! Where do they advertise these jobs?

The prison working alliance and NOVOS.

I work in a prison (not teaching) and it’s actually a lovely rewarding working environment.

clareykb · 05/01/2024 23:38

When I retrained I worked part time for a large and very well know online resources provider.. pay wasn't amazing but it was OK , entirely remote and very flexible (basically could do hours whenever and a few meetings in the week so fitted in well with study) they often have jobs for teachers worth a look (think little star! 🌟)

DamnUserName21 · 05/01/2024 23:46

Op, I was looking at remote work on Indeed. A lot of adverts for invigilator (day roles) and remote tutoring. Pay seems to vary. All wanted teaching experience.
Have a look. Or so check out jobs on Linkedin.

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