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High earner query - basically over 100% tax on xmas bonus.

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NameChangeBonus · 17/11/2023 22:23

My employer has decided to be very generous and give everyone £5k cash bonus this Xmas (in previous years they have given £2k). I have adjusted my salary sacrifice pension contributions so I earn approximately £96k gross. I cannot amend this until April as per my employer policy. I thought there was enough buffer for bonus and benefits.

problem is if I earn over £100k (I have 2 kids aged 1 and 3 in full time nursery)

  • I will pay 60 % tax on my bonus
  • i will become ineligible for tax free childcare - worth £333 per month,£4k per year
  • I will become ineligible for 30 hours childcare for DD1 - worth £600 per month, £7k per year.

basically because I’m getting this bonus we’ll be much worse off financially - is there anything I can do to avoid this?

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user09878875795 · 17/11/2023 23:59

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Dibblydoodahdah · 18/11/2023 00:00

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And she pays 14 times as much tax as you!

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How much are you paying for childcare?

Aria999 · 18/11/2023 00:00

You could see if they could defer part or all of it to next tax year.

Howdoesitworkagain · 18/11/2023 00:01

egowise · 17/11/2023 23:49

Guess you didn't see my next comment...

And aren't poorer people told that they could earn more if they just worked harder, they choose to be poor?

Op chooses for both parents to work and pay childcare.

You have no idea of my life, job or wage😬

People can have differing opinions, it's not about being jealous and spiteful.

I think it’s fairly obvious that my post is about your first comment, and your second comment indicates that you hadn’t thought things through properly before berating the OP to look at her outgoings. I have no idea why you’re introducing the other comments,
they have absolutely no relation to what I was saying so I’m not sure why you’re sparring with me on that.

arethereanyleftatall · 18/11/2023 00:01

Just ignore him @Dibblydoodahdah , don't get sucked in.

user09878875795 · 18/11/2023 00:01

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ShadowCipher · 18/11/2023 00:02

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Thats out of order, talk about bad manners.

NameChangeBonus · 18/11/2023 00:03

justabigdisco · 17/11/2023 23:50

Loving how people assume that I’m jealous - haha nope, our combined income is significantly more than the OP FYI. I just don’t come on here complaining about having to pay tax on it. Either take the bonus and take the hit, or don’t. Or maybe donate it or something. Read the room folks

So if you’re well past this level of earnings you won’t be affected by the 60% marginal tax, or actually it costing you more money to receive a bonus than the bonus but itself. Of course there wouldn’t be anything for you to ‘complain’ about. And I’m not complaining, I’m just asking for advice.

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CharlotteRumpling · 18/11/2023 00:03

Do not feed the troll. Have reported.

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Bunnycat101 · 18/11/2023 00:04

The £100k tax threshold is really punitive. It’s a really stupid hard cut-off where people lose a lot of money for earning a bit more.

OP the only idea I had was where you could offset it against some unpaid leave and reduce your income that way by getting some alternative benefit.

Comtesse · 18/11/2023 00:05

The UK has the most expensive childcare costs in Europe - it’s an eye wateringly expensive. Even people on great money find it a stretch for a good couple of years when the kids are little. This is terrible for ALL working parents, whether we’re on min wage or £200k.

Topsyturvy78 · 18/11/2023 00:05

As others have said tell them you only want 3k. Could they possibly donate the rest to a charity of your choice?

Clarefromwork · 18/11/2023 00:07

Ask if you have “Bonus exchange” where you can put your bonus into your pension as a lump sum.

Globules · 18/11/2023 00:08

TurquoiseDress · 17/11/2023 23:51

I agree with all of this

It's the system that's at fault here

Totally agree the system is at fault here.

The OP should already have had the tax free childcare and all the other benefits removed, as she's part of a household earning over £100k.

Changehappens · 18/11/2023 00:09

uhOhOP · 17/11/2023 22:44

So many jealous and bitter people here.

Unless people have actually been in a situation where circumstantial outgoings end up more than high earnings they will never understand this OPs situation. It's not a given high earners live on a bed of roses.

VanityDiesHard · 18/11/2023 00:09

egowise · 17/11/2023 22:52

Yeah, I was with you until this comment.

If things are quite tight on your salary, you need to have a look at your finances.

It's called living in London. This comment section is pathetic sometimes.

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Girahim · 18/11/2023 00:11

ShadowCipher · 17/11/2023 23:33

Why and when should someone ask for help on here, you choose any point in history and there will always be a mix of points, so are people that earn over x amout not allowed to ask on here ?

It's not the asking for advice, it's the complaining that things are tight when she's in the top ten percent of earners.

namestevalian · 18/11/2023 00:11

Ask if they can do a bonus sacrifice and pay it into your pension , that's what my work does

Girahim · 18/11/2023 00:12

DinoDaddy · 17/11/2023 23:14

In this day and age, especially in the South East, £100k doesn't go anywhere. Especially if you have 4 kids in private school like us. Even with both of us earning over £100k, we aren't expectionally well off. Our mortgage is £3k a month for a start!

£100k doesn't go anywhere, are you serious?

If you're earning £200k+ between you and have four kids at private school you're well off, no matter where you live.

egowise · 18/11/2023 00:13

VanityDiesHard · 18/11/2023 00:09

It's called living in London. This comment section is pathetic sometimes.

Plenty of people live in London who are not earning anywhere near that. .

You're right, some comments are pathetic.

arethereanyleftatall · 18/11/2023 00:14

Absolutely @Changehappens

On these threads you always get people who just can't understand the much higher costs that accompany a much higher salary. Tend to be higher childcare, higher commuting, often insurance, often CPDs, often student loans, plus obviously higher tax. So that even AFTER the op has detailed her breakdown, you still get people saying she's managing her money wrong. Rather than being snippy, maybe think about how bonkers it is that someone earning £100k isn't rolling in it.

RosesAndHellebores · 18/11/2023 00:14

@girahim Indeed but with eye-watering outgoings, including childcare.