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To ask how I can become "rich"?

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raincabin · 08/11/2022 00:04

I know this sounds ridiculous.

I would like to be a high earner, I grew up working class and my knowledge in this area is lacking. I have tried to do my own research but found it difficult, with a lot of opposing answers and many sites/people just trying to sell!

I am doing a midwifery degree, I have always been academic and considered law but I knew I would find it boring.

What can I/should I do so that I can become a high earner?

I dream of nice cars, holidays and not having to worry about stretching until the end of the month. I'd also love to be able to send DC to private school.

I am open to anything.

OP posts:
Changerofthename1 · 09/11/2022 07:30

I also borrowed all the money to put my kids through private school, not ideal but i didn’t have time on my side and i knew i could pay it back quickly

Purple52 · 09/11/2022 07:38

raincabin · 08/11/2022 02:03

Thank you.

It does pay more (bit significantly), but jobs are few and far between.

I have looked into being a doula, but I'm not sure how I'd cope not being able to get hands-on, having trained as a midwife. It is something I'm still considering.

I was going to suggest being a doula. But more particularly running your own business providing pre and post birth care and education to ladies/couples.
we paid for NCT classes but had questions unanswered because the “teacher” wasn’t medically trained.
youd need to consider WHERE but with the right customers (potentially nationwide) you could look at £1000+ a day.
you could do it alongside midwifery (part time nhs/private) so you still have current relevant experience. until you are older and have experience I think potential customers would want to know you have and are practicing.

most “high earners” I know, have more than one income stream, are self employed as one or more of those income streams (or run their own company). They also tend to have a considerable amount of debt getting themselves there! Be that education or equipment or living expenses before they start to earn.

I work in a role where I see (& process) peoples financial information- so my comments are based on bank statements and accounts and tax returns. Not seeing someone living the “high life”. I do actually know what people earn & talk to them about how they achieve it.

I will caveat and say most are now looking for more time rather than more money!! I guess that’s the point of being “comfortable”! …. Doesn’t necessarily mean they’re happy!!

good luck with what you choose.
I’d go for something you can be passionate about and build on it in your own empire. If you have passion it won’t feel like hard work. Even though it will be.

WhoKnows2346 · 09/11/2022 07:41

You get rich by investing in your future. You say you're clever but can't see that studying for a 'boring' law degree is one route into a very well paid career but that is dependant on how good/clever you really are. Also you if you want a well paid career in the caring sector why are you studying to be a nurse and not a doctor? To me, you don't sound very intelligent, if you can't even figure that out. It sounds like you want someone to come up with a get rich quick scheme of the Del & Rodney Trotter proportions which is just laughable. So I suggest you try the OnlyFans site.

BobLemon · 09/11/2022 07:47

I hear you OP! I did a vocational BTEC instead of A levels, started out in vocational work, thought £25kpa would be well off :)

a few twists and turns later I’ve seen more of the way the world works.

I’m now glad I didn’t go into law. I’ve got good friends who are solicitors and they struggle really hard to keep balance. And the reward isn’t that amazing.

if I started again I’d start in accountancy. you DONT have to be good at maths! In fact I think having other skills is what makes you go far in accounting.

I’ve also learned that MONEY MAKES MONEY. Providing services to individuals will cap earnings. Working for/providing services to organisations is the easier path to larger salaries. That might sound blindingly obvious to some, but I bet I was late 20s before the penny started to drop.

Welshmonster · 09/11/2022 08:01

There are jobs in coding which will earn you big bucks and you don’t need formal qualifications.

Heatherbell1978 · 09/11/2022 08:10

OP, I'm probably entering that salary band now after 20 years in the workforce. To be fair I could have pushed myself harder in my area and have had 2 maternity leaves in the mix. I'm university educated and have continued to get qualifications throughout my career - I'm a project manager but work in a big bank. In my field the big money comes with contracting. If you're able to take the risk of not having a perm job then taking on temporary contracts on a high day rate is quite lucrative.
In saying that, DH is on a similar salary but there's no way we could afford to send both kids to private school. We could if we had just one child. Private school seems to go hand in hand with inherited wealth within my friendship group (which we don't have).

Bard6817 · 09/11/2022 08:17

Hi,

I do wish schools would provide some financial education for people.

Going to break things down for you i to arenas…. So yuu is can try to pick and choose…

The greasy pole…. Yep, even in the Nhs there are people on 6 digit salaries. You have to broaden your skills, go the extra mile, learn to play the game, suck up to idiots, look for sidesteps where one step of skills will compliment another sector and you can get new skills.

Side hustles…. I will stick to the more socially acceptable ones, but there are other options out there. If you are very pretty, or very engaging as a person, it’s a huge head start for social media channels, which although they can take a long time to become lucrative, when they do, it becomes an insane income source. But friends of mine do the less fanciful ones, take on second jobs, cleaning, bar work, restaurant work, etc.

Compromise…. You can’t have it all…. Having a partner who has the same shared goals is amazing, but be prepared for excess working hours, spending a lot less than you do normally, putting bits of your life on hold for the long term. Eating out, drinking out, dressing up, travel, children, sky tv, faster broadband, cigarettes or vaping, are all expensive. The fire community helps with their guide to be financially independant, so you may find usefull resources there. About a decade ago my family and I looked back at the orevioua decade and what was great about it - we came to the conclusion, the things we remembered best, was experiences, not stuff. Ice creams or chips by the seaside with favourite family members, trumped huge gifts, when we did go on holidays, we did houses in remote locations, had fabulous times playing games, stoking the fire, exploring a world far away from the routine.

Investments….. Such a minefield…. But a couple of basic bits of guidance i wish someone had given me in my twenties…. We are nearly all taxed to the point we can’t save, but what you can save, get it into a tax free wrapper, either a SIPP or a Stocks and Shares ISA. If you can’t trust yourself to not dip into it, go the SIPP route, but ideally do a bit of both. Once you have that, then learn about ETF’s, compare them using websites like Trustnet, focus on the Vanguard funds initially, don’t expect to make millions overnigh, but learn about the power of compounding and dollar cost averaging. Once you have some experience and confidence, willing to take a bit more risk, never gambling more than 5% of your saving on any one share, then you can take on more risk. It will be very slow to start with, but the more you save, the longer you save, the more you take advantage of the tax allowances, and invest, you’ll be surprised how quickly it begins to add up. I’ve seen complaints on Mumsnet about just how many millionaires were created during Covid, or became multimillionaires, but this strategy is how, and it’s just normal people who have made sacrifices to be investors, who achieved this. People don’t shout about it because there’s so much hate about making money online, but the reality is, that route is open to all, and families who are financially educating themselves and their kids eventually will be the winners.

You can do it. It just takes effort, compromise, and then knowing what to do with the proceeds of the above. I started in a small run down part of poverty stricken Scotland, with 1 outside loo in our tenement, shared with 3 other families. My first job i earnt 6k a year. I’ve never made money through property, indeed i don’t have a mortgage or a paid off home, so my route to wealth was uninspiring until i learnt about how to invest, using ISA’s and SiPPs. My family didn’t know this stuff either, so the best i can hope for from them was a very small portion of a small property in Scotland, which now, i would reject and pass onto my nieces via an investment account to help them.

Good luck to you and i hope you make good choices.

Notsurewhattodooo · 09/11/2022 08:20

Great thread op. Thank you. I’m about to do a tech conversion course.

BunnyBum · 09/11/2022 08:21

I asked my friend (a mortgage advisor so privy to peoples pay) what jobs are earning the highest salaries. She says it’s young people on massive wages in IT. Then we tried to fathom out what exactly IT involves :-)

Itsbadbitchoclockyeahitsthickthirty · 09/11/2022 08:28

Welshmonster · 09/11/2022 08:01

There are jobs in coding which will earn you big bucks and you don’t need formal qualifications.

Not really, at her age, and not for long. My kids are learning to code at primary school and by the time their generation are in their early 20s they’ll be way too far ahead of older people who’ve done a quick coding course.

bluejelly · 09/11/2022 08:36

I joined at a very low rank in a public organisation. I have worked extremely hard over the last 20 years and am now earning over 80k. I love what I do. My DP earns even more but hates every minute of his job. I would stick with midwifery if you love it and work your way up.

00deed1988 · 09/11/2022 08:42

SleeplessinSouthwold · 08/11/2022 01:08

Convert to nursing and go into aesthetics. There's a lot of money in botox, fillers, laser treatments, etc.

You can do this from midwifery. Lots of my colleagues do this on the side and I know a couple who have built up enough of a client base to leave and do it full time!

WatchOutLurkerAbout · 09/11/2022 08:46

@raincabin have you considered going to a careers counsellor or coach? Not a life coach a qualified careers coach - look for someone CDI level 6 or above. I'm currently training to be one and I work with a few different coaches and they have their own businesses where they work with adults individually to help them with their career choices and advice. Honestly I think it might be really beneficial for you as it'll bridge that gap in knowledge about potentially high earning careers that match your interests and how to get there.

thelawyermum · 09/11/2022 08:49

My husband and I are both in our early 30s and met whilst at uni. We each earn about 100k - I’m a lawyer and he is in finance.
We come from working class background and so I know exactly how you feel - we too had no idea of how we could break the cycle and become high earners.

In my experience, the highest earning potential is achieved in law, finance and tech. But there are exceptions.

I think the key to success would be for you to leverage your passion for midwifery. I have 2 children and went through the private midwife route with both of them. Our midwife charged £1,500 per child (I gave birth in a hospital so this is just for check ups). I also had a private lactation consultant who charged £150 per consultation. I also had a maternity nurse come to my house for the first 7 days post partum - she helped with feedings, health checks and light household tasks like storing pumped milk and prepping snacks for me.
I think we spent at least £5,000 on the birth of our children.

My advice to you is to keep to your passion and maximise that. Become a private midwife, do neonatal classes, children first aid classes (we spent £200 on one), become a lactation consultant or a doula. You can also get qualifications to administer beauty treatments such as Botox. A friend of mine does this and charges extortionate amounts of money for “Botox parties”.

You are obviously capable and ambitious so I see no obstacles to you becoming a high earner. Just be creative.

If I were you I would focus on:

  • Private midwifery
  • Lactation consulting
  • Prenatal classes and first aid
  • Doula services
  • Beauty treatments

One of my most successful friends is a psychologist for the NHS. She also has private consultations targeting high earners suffering from stress and burnout. She charges a minimum of £100 for an online session. Both myself and my husband have spent loads of money on therapy sessions, people go for it.

PS: a degree in law is the most boring thing ever! I only suffered through it because I wanted to become a lawyer, which I really enjoy. So please don’t study law ;)

Xenia · 09/11/2022 08:52

I am a lawyer and it is not boring. It is veyr interesting.
So why nurse and not doctor if money is what you are after? My father and uncle and a sibling are doctors and it is fairly well paid particularly if you work full time and do private work too.

So look first at switching from midwifery to medicine (if your A level results are good enough) or so something medical related eg sale of pharmaceuticals buiness or find a growth market (like old people as your medical interests might work well with that) and see if you can set a business up relating to that.

Iwouldlikesomecake · 09/11/2022 08:56

I wish everyone would stop saying ‘private midwife’. Practically the only place you can work as a midwife in a private hospital (even a private wing in an nhs unit) is London and midwives at the Portland get paid around the same as NHS midwives.

Independent midwifery for full antenatal and postnatal care is almost impossible now as you can’t get insurance for it. People don’t pay private midwives for them to do shift work, you pay them to be on call for the labour and birth and most hospital trusts won’t give you honorary contracts to work there so when the woman goes in, you can’t be the midwife for the birth anyway- you aren’t allowed to ‘practice’ so you are just there as a supporter and in Covid this made things very hard if only one birth partner was allowed.

As for 20 babies earning you £80k as a doula- nobody’s paying £4k for a doula in an area where £80k is a very high salary.

OP I am an NHS midwife among other things and I would say finish your degree and get a job and use that income to give you a safety net to breathe and consider what you want to do next. You might be able to get some further training funded which is easier if you are already working. If you just give up, unless you are walking into another job straight away then that’s more time you are not earning. I say that as someone who did two degrees back to back. I’m on £50k+ band 7 with no management responsibilities. If I wanted to I could earn more in another role but I like my job!

A lot of research jobs and specialist roles are band 7 and you don’t have to be qualified long to do them if you do the right amount of extra work to upskill.

I would say though - just being academic doesn’t always translate into good money and I know this from personal experience. I was really academic but I don’t have the aptitude to turn it into a six figure salary and I’m ok with that actually as I have ‘enough’ and what I do makes a difference to people.

Kiplingroad · 09/11/2022 09:05

@Hytsum Now that is a good idea!

Don't lose the time and energy you've put into midwifery, but do use it to start a business and take the pressure off the NHS for those who can pay for private services.

00deed1988 · 09/11/2022 09:05

raincabin · 08/11/2022 01:37

@BlackBarbie

Why did you take a rare student midwife place then? You want to be rich, you’re probably not going to finish. Are you trying to say you didn’t realise midwifery isn’t well paid/ badly funded before you started?

29 out of every 30 midwives that qualify, leave within the first year or don't start at all. The degree is brutal. You have absolutely no idea what we have had to go through, especially during covid.

I was well aware of the lack of funding, but the terrible conditions we work in mean that it isn't worth it to me anymore.

That's not quite true. For every 30 trained we only gain 1. That is with midwives retiring, leaving and of course those who never started. In my cohort I only know of 2 who never started and 3 years on as far as I know all the ones who went into midwifery are still doing it. There are a lot of midwives who are able to retire at 55 who are on the old pension scheme so lots leaving for that reason. I am not disputing it is a tough degree - it nearly broke me but once qualified it was much easier as I didn't have uni work to do alongside it and left work at work!

I am a band 6 midwife and of course I don't do it for the money alone - I love it and I was born to be a midwife. 100% my calling.

Last year (with lots of unsociable hours and a lot of overtime - most weeks I did 4, sometimes 5 -12.5 hour shifts) I earned £54,000. I mean I worked bloody hard for it and lots of hours but I love my job and I would not give it up for a higher paid job. Yes I would love to earn that without the extra hours and think we deserve it. The responsibility I hold is immense and it is physically and emotionally draining. Politics can be difficult to deal with but overall I am happy.

With this wage plus my husbands wage of £18,000 I am able to have 1 nice abroad holiday, a couple of UK ones, pay off my debts, have Merlin passes, plenty of days out for the kids, a rent of £1200 (the debt repayment has 2 years and will then put that towards a deposit for a mortgage) and run a car. Wouldn't be able to pay for private school but overall we are comfortable and happy.

Good luck with whatever you choose!

Kiplingroad · 09/11/2022 09:08

@Iwouldlikesomecake Ah, i just saw your post. Agree with you that working your way up in the NHS and building on what you've already done is the way forward.

Grigorisangel · 09/11/2022 09:15

@raincabin I have been down a similar path although I have 15 years on you. Left college just before finishing my a levels due to illness then ended up working and having a family.
I always wanted to be a teacher so started uni with the thought of then qualifying as a teacher. I am now in my final year of uni and have realised teaching is not for me. The extremely long hours for low pay being a big factor in that.
for the area I live a salary of 40k would give me a very comfortable life.
I have started by applying for grad schemes, the nhs gmts and civil service offer great opportunities with regards to further training for a couple of years and lead to what I would call decent paying jobs after completing them with still the opportunity to continue upwards. There are loads and I would start by looking at grad schemes to find what areas interest you and take it from there. You apply to grad schemes in your final year and start the September after graduating, some have prerequisites such as needing maths or tech degree but for most it doesn’t really matter what the degree is in and it may help you narrow down what interests you going forward

Kendodd · 09/11/2022 09:17

I would definitely continue with midwifery OP. But keep your eyes wide open for other opportunities, you may well even see them as a tangent. Other than that, nothing to add but good luck.

Sixpence1977 · 09/11/2022 09:20

The problem for the op with being a doula is she lives in a cheap area, I live in a cheap area opposed to where both DH and I grew up.

Though people can be poor anywhere in our old SE commuter belt towns there is a lot more money sloshing about generally for stuff like a doula. To make money you need a clientele.

The really wealthy people we know remain in the SE or overseas and most of them have relocated some times multiple times and sometimes overseas.

@BunnyBum its coding, my friends DS left University about three years ago and last I heard he was on 60k aged 24. He was headhunted after a year. I was staying at her house, he was in final year at uni and was at home that weekend but was off to take part in a hackathon. Companies offer a few thousand pounds to people to hack their systems, it’s a competition. Two houses have sold in my road within the last year, houses don’t change hands very often. Two younger couples in late twenties and early thirties bought them, three of them are computer programmers/coders. I think affording a 500k house in your twenties is very good. You can still buy terraces in the town I live in for 150k.

shinynewapple22 · 09/11/2022 09:22

raincabin · 08/11/2022 00:43

I know, that's the minimum amount I am talking. I would be happy enough with that.

In my area, £80k goes a long way.

Picking up on what you've said about in your area £80k goes a long way . I think this is quite important . I am unable to offer advice on how to get a well paying job - both mine and DH's job have very average pay - but we live in a cheap house in a cheap area so our money has always gone a lot further than some other people's. Working out your spending priorities will also impact on you having more money available to do the things that will make you happy . Obviously you will need to carry on investigating the high earning careers and working hard if you 'want it all' - but there are ways to increase your portion of spendable money - eg you mention holidays and not having to worry about running out of cash at the end of the month . We have always had that - plus money for activities and days out etc . We don't have the big house, posh cars and private schooling though .

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 09/11/2022 09:26

Earning £80k would give me £2k spare every single month. That to me is rich Confused

I can't help though OP, I work in a high street bank and earn £45k which is good and perfectly workable for us as a family. Next bracket would take me to about £60-65k pa. It's not really something you could walk straight into; however my bank does have a graduate scheme which might be workable for you in the future. PM me if you want.

Newusernameaug · 09/11/2022 09:31

Due to your midwifing degree - I would set up a private natural birthing centre.
we all know and can see the NHS is collapsing, I’d offer a space with water births and as much natural birthing as possible.
I’d see there being huge potential for this, as people willing to pay to know their babies will be delivered safely and cared for - something we can no longer guarantee with the NHS