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To be annoyed at Prince Harry's memoir title SPARE

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benisright · 27/10/2022 13:25

I have zero interest in this couple who seem to enjoy making a living on moaning about how they are poorly treated in Britain. Just saw the headline news and the cover of Harry's memoir with his face and one single word SPARE.

Get a life for goodness sake. I'm about his age and never once thought of him as a spare. He kinda invented his own tale.

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antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 11:01

There is so much rewriting of history here.
Diana largely had great press and some critical press. It is what the press do. Built her up as a Saint, then knocked her down, then built her up again. There was massive public interest in Diana and she sold a lot of papers and magazines.

I never knew her. Personally, I thought if I met her I always suspected we would not be friends. But she was supposed to have been massively charismatic. And she made a real tangible massive difference with her charity work. No other member would have done the work with Aids victims that she did. Younger people will not realise how controversial this was at the time. It is the equivalent of a Royal Family member meeting migrants in refugee camps and saying how awful their living conditions were. Her involvement was a watershed in changing the publics view. So for that alone she should be remembered.

Suemademedoit · 31/10/2022 11:17

JudgeJ · 31/10/2022 10:21

His version, which will be accepted as the truth in the same way that his mother's performance on Panorama was.

I don’t think it will be. Diana had stratospherically good press during and after her lifetime. She was good looking, vulnerable, relatable (oddly - she showed “nice” and acceptable human failings; even her bulimia - because she was so attractive - garnered her good press in a “Charles drove me to it” way, unimaginable today), and had a track record of proven good deeds. She made everyone else in the RF look dowdy, but she always kept herself second to the Queen, as she was per the rules of the family she chose to marry into. She genuinely believed in the hierarchy. Some people saw through the front, but there was undeniably something of substance there.

When Meghan first appeared on the scene, she made Kate and William look frumpy and middle aged. Quite dull. She had, relative to them, glamour and the cameras loved her. This I think is why they both thought they were level with HMQ, and why they like to believe all they’ve been told about Meghan being Diana 2.0. They saw the press attention and it brought everything back for him. That star quality. Diana could have tanked the Queen, in her day, and H&M took the line they were fed (by people who sought and still seek to make money off of them, people who Meghan thinks she has the whip smart intellect and all the necessary experience to handle and best) that they could too because they were just as glamorous. But, they’ve proven themselves to be entirely lacking in substance. It’s not to do with intelligence (Diana was notoriously lacking in that front). It’s more the softer skills of empathy, humility, curiosity, caring, genuine concern. In his way, Harry does still demonstrate this at times. You can’t deny his interest in wounded veterans and his commitment to WellChild. But in Meghan he’s found someone for whom all this is in service to a greater good which isn’t the people or those less fortunate; it’s herself.

So, I don’t think Harry’s version will be blindly accepted. He doesn’t have the benefit of doubt. In fact, through his choice of spouse and his acts since, he’s lost any benefit he had and accumulated worse. He’s shown himself to be the tin man, with his wife as the wizard of oz.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 31/10/2022 12:27

Because the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, was announced after the newspapers in this country had gone to press and in some cases been distributed to more distant bits of the country like Cornwall, what was going to be in the Sunday papers that week had escaped before they became aware that slagging off a dead woman might be a bit of a bad look, called them back, pulped them and looked out the black borders to send out instead.

Private Eye got hold of the original Sunday papers and printed quotations from the various people who wrote columns: written before and written after her death was known. Quite a contrast. (That fortnights edition of PE was removed from the shelves of Smiths and Menzies.)

The papers during the week before her death had not been being kind to her either! They disliked Dodi, and they were all over William having said something to someone about disliking Dodi, and they were not all that happy about DiPoW having said she would have something special for them at a press conference she had called for the Tuesday after her death. They feared that she might be pregnant by Dodi, and regarded that as disrespectful of her, as far as I could make out.

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 12:51

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 31/10/2022 12:27

Because the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, was announced after the newspapers in this country had gone to press and in some cases been distributed to more distant bits of the country like Cornwall, what was going to be in the Sunday papers that week had escaped before they became aware that slagging off a dead woman might be a bit of a bad look, called them back, pulped them and looked out the black borders to send out instead.

Private Eye got hold of the original Sunday papers and printed quotations from the various people who wrote columns: written before and written after her death was known. Quite a contrast. (That fortnights edition of PE was removed from the shelves of Smiths and Menzies.)

The papers during the week before her death had not been being kind to her either! They disliked Dodi, and they were all over William having said something to someone about disliking Dodi, and they were not all that happy about DiPoW having said she would have something special for them at a press conference she had called for the Tuesday after her death. They feared that she might be pregnant by Dodi, and regarded that as disrespectful of her, as far as I could make out.

They disliked Dodi because he was a Muslim and Asian. There was lots of criticism of him and Diana being together.
Not unlike when Harry and Meghan got together.

ajandjjmum · 31/10/2022 12:54

HauntedCabinet · 31/10/2022 10:23

Slight aside, but I occasionally wonder if the perception of Diana would be the same today. i.e. I wonder if she would be more ridiculed for that Panarama interview than she was back in the 90s.

Certianly, it doesn't stand up to modern day viewing very well (the clips I've seen repeated here and there). It's far too melodramatic for today's audience, I think.

She was starting to get critical press in the weeks before she died - sadly her death maintained her 'icon' status, whereas had her life continued as expected, she would have likely been viewed far more harshly.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 31/10/2022 12:58

ajandjjmum · 31/10/2022 12:54

She was starting to get critical press in the weeks before she died - sadly her death maintained her 'icon' status, whereas had her life continued as expected, she would have likely been viewed far more harshly.

I agree.

As harsh as it sounds her death did wonders for her reputation.

If she was alive now I suspect she’d be a bit of a desperate cling-on trading of her sort-of Royal status like Samantha Markle.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 31/10/2022 12:59

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 12:51

They disliked Dodi because he was a Muslim and Asian. There was lots of criticism of him and Diana being together.
Not unlike when Harry and Meghan got together.

Indeed. What amused me was the in-one-hour 180 degree turn they all did when she died.

But I really don't think that at the time of her death she was getting a lot of good press, or even any good press to speak of; she'd dumped her charities and lost that source of goodwill, and spending time sunning yourself on someone's yacht in the Med isn't all that relatable for most people.

phishy · 31/10/2022 12:59

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 12:51

They disliked Dodi because he was a Muslim and Asian. There was lots of criticism of him and Diana being together.
Not unlike when Harry and Meghan got together.

Dodi was Egyptian, Hasnet Khan was Pakistani.

I agree with you though.

x2boys · 31/10/2022 13:17

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 31/10/2022 12:58

I agree.

As harsh as it sounds her death did wonders for her reputation.

If she was alive now I suspect she’d be a bit of a desperate cling-on trading of her sort-of Royal status like Samantha Markle.

Tbf she would have had much more of a roysl status than sammantha Markle she woyld have been the mother and Granmother of the future King/s
Sammantha Markle is the half sisterr of Meghan ,and by all accounts they never had much of a sibling relationship.

JudgeJ · 31/10/2022 16:43

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 10:37

Such hyperbole. Those saying that were a tiny minority. What people did want was the sign that they gave a damn about Diana dying. Because there did not seem to care at all. They originally wanted a private funeral and no public acknowledgement of her death beyond a vague press release expressing regret. Indeed the initial press release after Saville died expressed more regret than the initial one after Saville died.

Not hyperbole at all, the news was stuffed full of wailers. At the time of her death the responsibility for her funeral was with the Spencer family, knowing how MN loves in-laws it was ridiculous to expect the Royal family to take it on. However the new New Lab government wanted a public spectacle so it was handed to the RF, with the 'blood family' from which she estranged side-lined.

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 16:50

JudgeJ · 31/10/2022 16:43

Not hyperbole at all, the news was stuffed full of wailers. At the time of her death the responsibility for her funeral was with the Spencer family, knowing how MN loves in-laws it was ridiculous to expect the Royal family to take it on. However the new New Lab government wanted a public spectacle so it was handed to the RF, with the 'blood family' from which she estranged side-lined.

This is not true. The Royal Family wanted the Spencers to have a small private funeral. The Spencers publicly said they thought Diana deserved better and so did a lot of the public. The Royal Family were forced to give in and allow a public funeral.

bellabasset · 31/10/2022 20:36

What Tony Blair recognised was that although Diana was indeed a member of the Spencer family her next of kin were her two sons, who were Royals. Was a quiet private funeral held by the Spencer family appropriate for William and Harry's mother? Charles as their legal guardian also had a responsibility to act for them as he believed they would wish. The RF couldn't just leave it to the Spencer family

Gilmorehill · 31/10/2022 22:28

phishy · 31/10/2022 12:59

Dodi was Egyptian, Hasnet Khan was Pakistani.

I agree with you though.

How can anyone make this mistake? Anyone who knows the full history will know Mohamed Al Fayed was an Egyptian social climber. (The ‘Al’ was something he added to make his second name sound more important - most Egyptians’ second names are the names of their fathers.) Moreover, Dodi clearly looked like he was from the Middle East.
I hope this is not a case of someone thinking all Muslims are Asians, which is quite ignorant.

Privacyrequirednamechange · 31/10/2022 23:15

The book has victim and pity me written all over it. Will he ever be able to move on and be a person in his own right that can live without craping all over his family to make a living.

MNMH · 01/11/2022 00:22

How would you know that if you haven't read it?

MNMH · 01/11/2022 00:23

Reply was meant for @Privacyrequirednamechange

Diverseopinions · 01/11/2022 04:35

A small funeral might have been a better and more sensitive idea, from the point of view of the young princes - W and H.

StartupRepair · 01/11/2022 11:16

Spare is a very powerful title. It does seem to suggest that he is looking back rather than forward.

Disydoll12 · 01/11/2022 12:09

Great title. Good luck to him, I hope himself and Meghan live a long and happy life together.

Prince Harry has always been the most likeable member of the Royal family in my opinion. The way the British press have attacked him and his wife is absolutely disgusting and inexcusable.

Owlcation · 01/11/2022 12:48

StartupRepair · 01/11/2022 11:16

Spare is a very powerful title. It does seem to suggest that he is looking back rather than forward.

It’s a 3 book deal, isn’t it?

‘Spare’, ‘Sparring’ and ‘Spared’

Spare - looking back to when he was growing up as the spare to the heir.

Sparring - his time as a military fighter.

Spared - when he left the royal family.

Something like that maybe?

shockthemonkey · 01/11/2022 13:40

I don't see how the title "Spare" is at all powerful, at least on its own. It smacks of gripes and sour grapes; we'll no doubt see, eventually -- though I won't read the book personally.

If it's the first of a suite of titles that goes on to Sparring then Spared, it has more legs, though simply as a bit of word play.

That would suggest however, that "Spare" deals with his early life only. Which is not how I understood the book is being touted.

xPeaceX · 01/11/2022 14:09

I agree, Harry is the sput of Prince Philip and Prince Charles, moreso than William.
People who want to believe it are blind!

xPeaceX · 01/11/2022 14:11

Spare
No hair
It's not fair.
A right pair

Croque · 01/11/2022 15:22

Tbf, neither brother has much hair so it's really the no-hair and the no-hair spare.

ReneBumsWombats · 01/11/2022 15:25

Hair today, goon tomorrow?

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