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Work rant and wibu to apply for a job in a cafe / supermarket??

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GodammitGodric · 15/10/2022 09:35

Sorry for the rant below. I am grumpy about work today after one of those weeks.

I work in a mainstream secondary school, working with students with some quite complex needs, some challenging behavioural issues, ASD, ADHD, mental health problems, often from chaotic home lives and having a terrible time at home and school.

Emotionally, it can be a lot to deal with. But, I am very resilient. Any rudeness or anything like that from the students honestly bounces off me and I can always respond with something fairly positive to try to get them back on track with work. I do find hearing some things they tell me very hard, but I can take it as I know I'm the grown up and it's up to me to listen and report when I hear something.

For this job I get paid the princely sum of £900 per month, as it is part time, (meaning full time school hours).

Not that it matters, but I am well educated with a degree in a sensible subject from a uni which is seen as one of the best in the country.

I do this job because I wanted to do something which benefits vulnerable people in society. I don't want to teach secondary.

We are expected to help out in every class, from year 7 Drama and Textiles to Yr 11 Physics and Maths which can be challenging sometimes, like when I have to dig out my knowledge of GCSE algebra, but fine.

Anyway, my line manager is quite a domineering and unhelpful person. I get absolutely no support or guidance. Requests for advice get shrugged off or responded to very slowly as if it's a major inconvenience. That is until I do something (which she decides on any given day is) wrong and then get told off for it. She and her other colleagues spend most days lurking round an office talking to each other about work, so they have great communication in the office. However, it's very cloak and dagger, so the people who are in the classroom, (my colleagues and me), do not get access to any of this information as it is never sent to us.

Most lunchtimes, we get cornered by domineering boss who ruins my precious lunch break droning on about how rich her family is and makes weird, inappropriate comments and thinking she's brilliant. I've been nice and listened to her until now because she is my boss.

However, this is also her opportunity to give us a telling off for whatever she's decided we've done wrong, usually with overly dramatic descriptions of the dire repercussions due to what we supposedly did wrong. Hypothetical repercussions I mean, like; "oh, you left the class because another student who was truant was hanging round outside and being disruptive so you went to speak to him and report it. What if your student had fled from the class? You KNOW she has awful MH problems". No, I actually didn't because you NEVER TOLD ME. Also, I know her and she was happy in class that day. Then the next week it will be "why did you stay in class with your student when you knew another child was truant and hanging round the grounds somewhere? Don't you know that's a terrible risk to the truant child"? Um...what?! I cannot win.

I have decided now to give her absolutely no information about what goes on with my classes, unless there is something serious which directly concerns her, as whatever it is, she will twist it to me having done something wrong. I'll report things which need to be obviously; I'm not an idiot. But to the pastoral team/DSL/head of year team directly.

This seems to be their chosen training method btw. Tell us nothing, gossip amongst themselves in the office and then tell us we're all wrong whatever we do.

I am relatively new to the job (6 months in), but I am so peeved today. I take a lot of shit from students and I put up with it because it's my job and I genuinely care about their welfare, but I will not take it from my boss who jas given me basically zero in terms of help and training, when I'm getting paid a pittance.

Aibu to send off applications for pretty much any other job today? Should I try to communicate to her and her boss (SENCO) what the problem is, or just keep my counsel and find something else (anything else) ASAP? With the nonsense she's given since I started work though, I expect any confrontation would be twisted to make me look silly and her like a wise one who has to deal with the idiots she has to manage, how exasperating 🙄. She isn't. She's just a domineering person who speaks with authority on every subject going.

If it matters, finances are ok in the short - medium term due to an inheritance, savings from my previous work and my OH job. Obviously this job isn't bringing in a proper wage at all, so I think I can do better.

Tl:Dr summary: aibu to think that in a difficult, very low paid job, where my manager is unsupportive and helpful, I need to get out ASAP even though I generally like my job?

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emmama2 · 15/10/2022 12:35

I know how your feeling. I've been there recently and it's horrible. You feel bad for thinking about leaving the young people but if you described the issues your facing with your boss and didn't mention being in a school, you would be told the situation is toxic.
I have just started my new job this week. I felt conflicted the whole notice period. Luckily the bosses kept with their terrible behaviour every time I had a wobble

GodammitGodric · 15/10/2022 12:36

Beachhuts90 · 15/10/2022 11:44

That hasn't been my experience of any school but I work in primary so maybe it's a different vibe (and I know I've been lucky in the schools I've worked). I'd leave your job for sure, either for another school or some other type of job. The money isn't good enough to put up with poor management! (TA pay isn't even good enough full stop in my opinion!)

This is exactly how I feel. The money isn't good enough to put up with poor management. I'm glad you have had better experiences in schools. I am going to see if I can find something in a primary setting

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RewildingAmbridge · 15/10/2022 12:41

Have you thought about working as a court intermediary? HMCTS. You support those with learning needs through court processes, family court and criminal. You don't need a specific qualification other than GCSE level English and maths but your experience would make you a very strong candidate
The pay is more than you're earning now, it's still rewarding and the holiday pension etc is good. It's also a good step into the criminal justice system if that interests you.

GodammitGodric · 15/10/2022 12:49

@emmama2 Well done for escaping! It is a horrible feeling as if I'm abandoning the students, as I have built up a good rapport with some of them.

@RewildingAmbridge I had not thought of that but will definitely look into it, thank you

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emmama2 · 15/10/2022 12:53

Don't let the fear of leaving the young people stop you. You need to look after yourself before your able to look after others!

CovertImage · 15/10/2022 12:53

The language used in these sorts of posts - and about 80% of AIBU - are a fascinating psychological study.

The boss and her colleagues are "lurking" in an office, "droning on", "gossip among themselves" and sound like an unholy alliance between Voldemort and Dolores Umbridge whilst the OP makes herself and her colleagues sound like a cross between the virgin Mary and Mother Teresa.

It sounds crap so leave

GodammitGodric · 15/10/2022 12:56

She's a good person I think and not at all like Voldemort (although she did look a bit shifty that time the chamber of secrets was opened..it's all adding up) 😁

I'm annoyed with her and grumpy, so I probably did use pejorative language to describe her, but she genuinely does care a lot about the students. But she is also an insufferable arse and an unsupportive manager. That's a more balanced assessment

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FinallyHere · 15/10/2022 17:06

There is a very high turnover in the team and most of us are new.

Ain't no one got time for that shit.

One of the biggest determinants of job satisfaction is management style.
High staff turnover is a very significant clue to something being wrong in the culture.

Start looking right away and find yourself a role in a school with a culture that suits you a lot better. You have a lot to give (not everyone is really capable of supporting troubled children) and deserve to work in an environment where you are supported.

Chalk this one up to experience. You will know better what to look for in a job. Work out some questions to ask in interviews and ask around your network too, so you can find out in advance what the culture is likely to be.

Good luck.

sandytooth · 15/10/2022 17:10

Go for it. Working in a cafe can be fun, especially if you get regular customers. I've not worked in a supermarket so can't vouch for that but give it a go you might like it.

ThisShipIsSinking · 15/10/2022 17:24

Do not work in a supermarket, all day you will hear the same complaints hundreds of times, it will be your fault prices have gone up, or item is out of stock or God forbid been moved to a different isle. If your lucky enough to work on dot. com, 5.00 am start, you will be expected to race round picking faster than a greyhound even if store is busy, plus direct customers to items they can' t find, customers are fond of telling you or making you feel in their way, you will battle your way through a sea of cold and harsh faces. Its hard work on your feet, legs and back and your shifts will be all over the place. The positives are that the people who l work with are possibly the warmest, friendliest and interesting, and although very early start l finish my shifts at lunchtime so l have the rest of the day.

GodammitGodric · 15/10/2022 17:29

Thanks @ThisShipIsSinking. Might avoid supermarkets in that case. I haven't done retail since I was 19 and I didn't love it then tbf, so it's probably a non starter!

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GodammitGodric · 15/10/2022 17:30

My more recent experience of hospitality though, is like yours; the people I worked with were amazing, funny and really hardworking, which made the horrible shift patterns and angry guests a lot more bearable!

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Twillow · 15/10/2022 17:36

Definitely leave/move. This is a typical kind of school staff bullying and backstabbing where people with some kind of psychological need to make themselves feel better than everyone else are allowed to thrive. It's not in all schools but is unfortunately quite common and was the reason I left my last job.

LucilleBluth · 15/10/2022 17:42

I’m an assistant SENCo and I still go in a few GCSE classes with our ASD pupils. OP, if you love working with SEMH and vulnerable pupils, try a special school. I started out in special schools and I have never felt like I made a difference in young people’s lives, like I did back then.

I only left because I was finding it difficult to physically manage after my back gave out (I’m only 40, not ancient) but I would go back in heartbeat in a different role, and maybe I will one day.

Singleandproud · 15/10/2022 17:46

Try a different school.

I left a secondary school, couldn't afford to be a TA but didn't want to teach, got myself a nice hybrid public sector admin job. A couple of times a week I volunteer with a youth group so I still work with teens a bit as I really love it but get the good bits and none of the rubbish.

Support work in schools is iffy at the best of times and there are bound to be lots of redundancies due to budgets this year.

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