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Is anyone the parent of a child with asd and not seeking a diagnosis?

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coodawoodashooda · 01/10/2022 13:37

Not looking for a bun fight. Just trying to sort out my thinking. Anyone with any of their own insight that they'd be willing to share?

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SpinningFloppa · 01/10/2022 16:46

azimuth299 · 01/10/2022 16:44

That's really great to hear. I think you'd probably be in the minority though, from everything I've heard you have a far greater chance of success with a diagnosis.

I don’t agree, it’s based on care needs I’ve applied for 2 children (2 new claims one renewal) you could have a child with asd and no extra care needs not all autistic children require extra care anyway so diagnosis doesn’t mean much

NoYouSirName · 01/10/2022 16:46

DLA and carers’ … I work in this area. You can get it without diagnosis but it is easier with simply because a diagnostic report provides professional evidence of the issues.

Diagnosis isn’t an automatic eligibility either, it will still depend on the evidence of care needs.

Sickoffamilydrama · 01/10/2022 16:46

Sunmoonstarsandsea · 01/10/2022 16:30

I was reading the thread like this Confused as well.

indeed. Just what support would that be?

I get what your saying on this so maybe support shouldn't be the word? It adds weight to the argument for your child to get extra support, that they then avoid giving!

Although I have to say we have eventually used DD inheritance with her knowledge to pay for private school and they are much more responsive and put measures in place straight away. But would probably not quite get it if she wasn't diagnosed.

For example she was getting extremely anxious about one particular very small thing and had got into a anxiety cycle about it but anxiety often leads her to self harm, I let the school know and they immediately talked to her and it was all resolved. They and I would have thought she was being ridiculous or awkward if we didn't know she has autism.

I've never really experienced negative responses to her diagnosis (not that we tell everyone) apart form the usual she makes eye contact and she doesn't look autistic and my all time favourite everyone is a little autistic!!! Always said with kind intentions but still infuriating.

Notplayingball · 01/10/2022 16:47

happy66 · 01/10/2022 16:08

Hi you should still get education support without diagnosis if schools LA are following government policy/ no doubt there own policy too. Absolutely NOWHERE is it written that you need a diagnosis to get support at school. If anyone says different then tell me where it is. The policy is it should be based on needs not on diagnosis.

But how do you get financial support in place without that diagnosis??

ParrotPoppy · 01/10/2022 16:47

azimuth299 · 01/10/2022 16:36

Obviously support could be better, but I have had a lot of support that wouldn't have been available without a diagnosis.

A very helpful parenting course (Cygnet)
DLA which went to providing for his needs e.g. buying a weighted blanket or fidget toys, investing in his special interests etc.
An EHCP including a 1:1 TA
Carers' Allowance when his needs meant that working wasn't possible for me
Access to a local autism charity which runs sensory-friendly events for autistic children to connect (e.g. they rent out clip n climb and turn the music off and invite a small group of children to climb in peace when they wouldn't usually be able to cope)
Max Card which gives discounts
A lot of people can get a free bus pass
Free or discounted tickets for many attractions as disabled person + carer
A local community of parents in the same boat who share experiences and help each other

All of which have improved my child's life a lot.

You don’t need a diagnosis for much of your list. EHCPs and DLA are based on needs rather than diagnosis. Carer’s allowance isn’t related to diagnosis either, but is based on whether you care for someone receiving DLA for more than 35 hours per week. Discounted tickets are often linked to benefits or things like an Access Card. You can get a max card without a diagnosis, and a bus pass can sometimes be given without a diagnosis too.

One time a diagnosis is helpful for school admissions is if you want an autism SS or ARP who only admit those with a diagnosis.

FallSky · 01/10/2022 16:49

happy66 · 01/10/2022 16:08

Hi you should still get education support without diagnosis if schools LA are following government policy/ no doubt there own policy too. Absolutely NOWHERE is it written that you need a diagnosis to get support at school. If anyone says different then tell me where it is. The policy is it should be based on needs not on diagnosis.

This is true in theory, but in reality having a diagnosis helps a lot.

SpinningFloppa · 01/10/2022 16:50

My daughter also had a 1:1 and ehcp before diagnosis her diagnosis changed nothing other than “knowing” for sure she isn’t able to get into a Sen school even with these so don’t assume it changes much, hasn’t for us. I’m not getting my son diagnosed.

ParrotPoppy · 01/10/2022 16:50

you could have a child with asd and no extra care needs not all autistic children require extra care anyway so diagnosis doesn’t mean much

I agree a diagnosis isn’t essential for applying for DLA but ^^ is unlikely as in order to get a diagnosis one requires difficulties that “limit and impair everyday functioning”.

Notplayingball · 01/10/2022 16:51

SpinningFloppa · 01/10/2022 16:39

You can get dla without diagnosis

Why does no one tell you these things...

Queuesarasarah · 01/10/2022 16:51

We have a diagnosis. The reasons for this are:

  • support in school
  • Helping family to understand
  • Helping our child to understand themselves
  • giving them the legal right to some reasonable accommodations in the workplace in the future
Lovelyricepudding · 01/10/2022 16:51

azimuth299 · 01/10/2022 16:44

That's really great to hear. I think you'd probably be in the minority though, from everything I've heard you have a far greater chance of success with a diagnosis.

Same as spinning - got DLA without a diagnosis and a 1:1, social skills group, time in integrated unit in school, visual timetable, EHCP... an 'autism' diagnosis wouldn't have got us any of that as an autism diagnosis did not mean she needed any of that -her specific presentation did and for that we needed specialist assessments. The diagnosis came later and nothing needed changing as a result.

megletthesecond · 01/10/2022 16:52

I get DLA for teen dd without a diagnosis. We had a support worker for a while, she suggested I apply and included her own statement as evidence. I knew things were bad but I was shocked to get it. and vindicated after a horrible paediatrician told me it was just my poor parenting when dd was little.

Porcupineintherough · 01/10/2022 16:53

FrownedUpon · 01/10/2022 13:56

You’re wise to think about it carefully. I’ve seen a diagnosis lead to low expectations & unhelpful stereotypes being attributed to a child in my family. The ‘support’ they receive is negligible. A diagnosis isn’t always helpful.

It might be helpful to them when trying to understand why they find things difficult that others find easy. Or to explain why so much social stuff is a mystery.

I know a number of autistic adults who just spent the first part of their lives with their struggling unacknowledged and feeling rubbish about themselves because they knew they were different but didn't know why.

coodawoodashooda · 01/10/2022 16:53

Lovelyricepudding · 01/10/2022 16:21

May be a good idea to hold off if you want to emigrate to Australia.

Do you have a link for this please?

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MinervaTerrathorn · 01/10/2022 16:54

@MonkeypuzzleClimber
It’s far more interesting to hear if anyone with a diagnosis themselves regrets it? I’ve not heard of anybody…
I posted above that I regret it. I was years away from being ready for a diagnosis or open to the idea. I could have pursued a diagnosis in adulthood had I chosen to.

H1nger5442678 · 01/10/2022 16:58

Big mistake not too. Autism brings a higher chance of mental health difficulties. Struggles to identify and handle emotions can have a big impact in the teenage years. Having had 2 children that have had serious struggles including anorexia which is linked to autism I wish I’d got them diagnosed earlier.. I wish I’d had mine earlier too, would have made life so much easier.

TheBirdintheCave · 01/10/2022 17:00

Pengwinn · 01/10/2022 13:44

My parents didn't push for a diagnosis for my brother. The result was fucking up his education as he couldnt access support he should have been entitled to, he spent many years in turmoil trying to understand why he was different to his peers which led to a lot of issues, amongst other things. Getting a diagnosis as an adult is incredibly challenging and in my opinion too late in many ways in terms of ensuring you have the support you need going through school and those formative years. I'd ask someone considering this why- having a diagnosis or not won't change the child just that one hinders and one enhances their chances.

This ^^ As an autistic adult who was only diagnosed three years ago, I can 100% say that a diagnosis as a child would have completely changed my experience of school.

Lovelyricepudding · 01/10/2022 17:07

H1nger5442678 · 01/10/2022 16:58

Big mistake not too. Autism brings a higher chance of mental health difficulties. Struggles to identify and handle emotions can have a big impact in the teenage years. Having had 2 children that have had serious struggles including anorexia which is linked to autism I wish I’d got them diagnosed earlier.. I wish I’d had mine earlier too, would have made life so much easier.

It doesn't help you access mental health services - you get dismissed as 'due to their autism'.

MinervaTerrathorn · 01/10/2022 17:08

H1nger5442678 · 01/10/2022 16:58

Big mistake not too. Autism brings a higher chance of mental health difficulties. Struggles to identify and handle emotions can have a big impact in the teenage years. Having had 2 children that have had serious struggles including anorexia which is linked to autism I wish I’d got them diagnosed earlier.. I wish I’d had mine earlier too, would have made life so much easier.

My mental health was significantly affected by my diagnosis and I became anorexic and started self harming two years later. That may have happened anyway, I don't know. I do support diagnosis if an older child or teen is open to the idea but not if they are not.

Porcupineintherough · 01/10/2022 17:09

SpinningFloppa · 01/10/2022 16:50

My daughter also had a 1:1 and ehcp before diagnosis her diagnosis changed nothing other than “knowing” for sure she isn’t able to get into a Sen school even with these so don’t assume it changes much, hasn’t for us. I’m not getting my son diagnosed.

And what about after school when she joins the workplace? There's no EHCP then, accomodations are made under the DDA

SpinningFloppa · 01/10/2022 17:09

Lovelyricepudding · 01/10/2022 17:07

It doesn't help you access mental health services - you get dismissed as 'due to their autism'.

That’s true I took my daughter to the drs as she wasn’t able to eat (physically she was struggling to swallow food) as soon as I explained she was autistic the dr said she was just attention seeking!

SpinningFloppa · 01/10/2022 17:11

Porcupineintherough · 01/10/2022 17:09

And what about after school when she joins the workplace? There's no EHCP then, accomodations are made under the DDA

My daughter DOES have a diagnosis I said I’m not getting my son diagnosed he doesn’t require any additional help at school doesn’t need a ehcp, doesn’t require a 1:1 why do people think all autistic people need help at school?

ParrotPoppy · 01/10/2022 17:15

Porcupineintherough · 01/10/2022 17:09

And what about after school when she joins the workplace? There's no EHCP then, accomodations are made under the DDA

I think parents should seek an assessment, but unless you are in Northern Ireland it is now the Equality Act 2010, not the DDA. And a diagnosis isn’t required in order to be covered by the Act.

H1nger5442678 · 01/10/2022 17:16

Autism is a disability and it’s illegal to deny treatment because of it. My children have had extensive treatment, more than they would have without.

Diagnosis gets caretailored and also can give you time to learn to handle and identify emotions better, understand why there are struggles which lessens self criticism….

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