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Tradesman chasing for payment

699 replies

CharlesIsQueensHorcrux · 19/06/2022 11:24

Hi - I had a tradesman in last week, finished Friday & invoiced Friday night with email and message. Since then has messaged another five times chasing me! By the way I wasn’t ignoring him I messaged back saying I was out but would deal. Is it me or is he unreasonable to chase me all weekend for an invoice issued on Friday night? I was happy with the work but not sure now I would use him again as I feel a bit ick like there’s a suggestion I wouldn’t pay or something. Aibu?

OP posts:
Floella22 · 19/06/2022 14:27

Our garage in France won't let us pay when we pick up the car.
They usually post a bill 2 days later and dh drives down and pays on his card.
We always take the mower to be serviced at the same time and receive two separate bills.

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:27

The comparison between getting paid on time by an employer and getting paid immediately by a one-off customer is just too silly to comment on.

JenniferBarkley · 19/06/2022 14:27

Jalisco · 19/06/2022 14:19

I agree. With online banking I can pay most tradesmen immediately. Even the few £'s for the window cleaner is now actually preferred this way.

I presume you are ok with your employer paying you whenever they get around to it?

I'm fine with the people in the finance office running payroll whenever is suitable for them, as long as the money is in my bank account in line with my contract.

OP had no contract, the quote didn't state payment terms, and the invoice said payment within a day which is reasonable to interpret as a business day unless the work had been done over the weekend.

Chasing five times before end of Monday was way over the top.

lemmein · 19/06/2022 14:27

@GCRich believe what you like! I've never not paid immediately - even before internet banking I would've gone to the bank and withdrawn the money to give them on completion. That must blow your mind considering you seem to consider logging into your bank a strenuous task which requires complete silence and alertness Hmm

iwishiwasafish · 19/06/2022 14:28

I think this has changed some time in the last 5-10 years. I used to have to chase trades to get them to invoice me, and then payment terms were usually anything from 7-28 days after invoice. I am quite sure this is the case as I checked with SIL who used to invoice for BIL’s business.

Thanks for the thread though. Considering the replies it has prompted me to message my builder to ask if he needs an interim payment on some work he is doing that has dragged on longer than he expected.

CharlesIsQueensHorcrux · 19/06/2022 14:31

For those saying he should have been paid before he left, he didn’t ask for this

OP posts:
GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:31

daffodilandtulip · 19/06/2022 14:26

I didn't even think it was an option, I thought you were meant to just pay as they were leaving Confused

If they have told you in advance that they will need payment immediately on completion, and they have a card reader, then they have every right to receive immediate payment. Invoices that require logging on, setting up payee details etc etc are completely different. When I send people invoices I would never assume that they are able to pay them quicker than 24 hours, and giving people 3 days, or until the Monday following the next weekend, whichever is longer, makes sense.

I cannot comprehend how little some people must have going on in their life that they are able to pay invoices immediately.

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:33

lemmein · 19/06/2022 14:27

@GCRich believe what you like! I've never not paid immediately - even before internet banking I would've gone to the bank and withdrawn the money to give them on completion. That must blow your mind considering you seem to consider logging into your bank a strenuous task which requires complete silence and alertness Hmm

Well, it requires my laptop, a card reader, an internet connection and 5 or 10 minutes at a minimum, none of which are necessarily immediately to hand dependent on where I am when the invoice arrives. I don't use email on my phone so it might be 24 hours before I even know I have the invoice.

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:34

lemmein · 19/06/2022 14:27

@GCRich believe what you like! I've never not paid immediately - even before internet banking I would've gone to the bank and withdrawn the money to give them on completion. That must blow your mind considering you seem to consider logging into your bank a strenuous task which requires complete silence and alertness Hmm

HE DID NOT ASK FOR MONEY ON THE SPOT SO WHY THE HELL SHOULD OP HAVE GIVEN HIM MONEY ON THE SPOT?

lemmein · 19/06/2022 14:35

I cannot comprehend how little some people must have going on in their life that they are able to pay invoices immediatel

I cannot comprehend that some people think they're so important and busy that others should wait on them. One of your possible excuses for not paying was the kids have just gone to bed and you're tired 🤣 ridiculous! You just have to transfer the money, nobody is asking you to print it!

Reallybadidea · 19/06/2022 14:36

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:27

The comparison between getting paid on time by an employer and getting paid immediately by a one-off customer is just too silly to comment on.

Agreed. Particularly as most people get paid at the end of the week/month.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 19/06/2022 14:37

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:24

You would literally log onto internet banking immediately, no matter what else was going on. I don;t believe you.

Yes, of course - why wouldn't you?

It takes seconds to pay someone via internet banking on a phone. It's not like you have to trek to the bank, queue up and take the cash out anymore.

I had a client once who couldn't pay me as her internet banking was down and she left for work at 5am so couldn't get to a cashpoint. I woke up to a message apologising for the delay and as soon as she had a break at work, she went to the office, got online and paid me.

Unless you live in a void with no internet access whatsoever, it's not hard to grab your phone and pay people.

lemmein · 19/06/2022 14:37

HE DID NOT ASK FOR MONEY ON THE SPOT SO WHY THE HELL SHOULD OP HAVE GIVEN HIM MONEY ON THE SPOT?

Capitals? Fuck, that told me! Hmm

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:37

CharlesIsQueensHorcrux · 19/06/2022 14:31

For those saying he should have been paid before he left, he didn’t ask for this

You are so not unreasonable. Making him wait two weeks or longer simply because you can't be bothered - terrible. Making him wait a week because you're being lazy - not ideal. Making him wait 2 or 3 days because life - entirely reasonable.

There's a lot of threads on MN where I can't believe that the OP is getting called unreasonable, but this one's right up there.

People who whatsapp you with an invoice as you;re walking round a supermarket and are nagging you before you've even got through the door back at home are arseholes of the highest order.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 19/06/2022 14:38

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:34

HE DID NOT ASK FOR MONEY ON THE SPOT SO WHY THE HELL SHOULD OP HAVE GIVEN HIM MONEY ON THE SPOT?

Because it's the decent thing to do.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 19/06/2022 14:39

Making him wait 2 or 3 days because life - entirely reasonable.

I assume you'd be fine with your employer making you wait several days for your paycheque "because life", then?

liveforsummer · 19/06/2022 14:39

HE DID NOT ASK FOR MONEY ON THE SPOT SO WHY THE HELL SHOULD OP HAVE GIVEN HIM MONEY ON THE SPOT?

He did ask for it within a day though - which did not happen!

WombatChocolate · 19/06/2022 14:40

It is usual for quotes for work or confirmation of taking the job to stress that payment is required immediately on the day of the job being finished. It also tends to spell out if perhaps certain amounts are due at start of job or part way through. Cash flow is a big issue for tradesmen having to spend out on expensive materials.

Most will spell out the requirements, but sometimes they don’t and assume you know they need that payment.

Think about it, if they spend hundreds or thousands on materials for you and start a new job on Monday, they need your payment to buy the next lot of stuff.

Customers can be too casual. They think of it as a big business invoicing and perhaps needing payment within 2-3 weeks. They don’t grasp how immediate payment is so important. They need to understand that you check the job, ensure you’re happy with it, flag any problems that need sorting and if there aren’t any, you pay at once. Some people seem to think as a matter of principle they should hold onto their cash for a few days or a week or whatever. Being busy isn’t an excuse. Paying for the service received needs to be a priority and let’s face it, doesn’t take long theses days.

Multiple reminders….this is because the money hasn’t been received. Workmen do find they have customers who don’t pay. It is their constant worry. When you don’t pay on the day, you become more likely to be one of those. No reply or vague suggestions you will pay with a timeframe which isn’t met, or without a timeframe make them anxious. There is no need to do it if you’re happy with the work.

The multiple reminders should make you think they really need that money, not start getting irritated or withhold it longer. Just pay and message them to say it’s happened and you look forward to the receiot.

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:40

coffeecupsandfairylights · 19/06/2022 14:37

Yes, of course - why wouldn't you?

It takes seconds to pay someone via internet banking on a phone. It's not like you have to trek to the bank, queue up and take the cash out anymore.

I had a client once who couldn't pay me as her internet banking was down and she left for work at 5am so couldn't get to a cashpoint. I woke up to a message apologising for the delay and as soon as she had a break at work, she went to the office, got online and paid me.

Unless you live in a void with no internet access whatsoever, it's not hard to grab your phone and pay people.

You and your client are both insane!

Flyinggeese1234 · 19/06/2022 14:40

CharlesIsQueensHorcrux · 19/06/2022 14:31

For those saying he should have been paid before he left, he didn’t ask for this

He shouldn’t have to ask. It’s obvious!

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:41

coffeecupsandfairylights · 19/06/2022 14:39

Making him wait 2 or 3 days because life - entirely reasonable.

I assume you'd be fine with your employer making you wait several days for your paycheque "because life", then?

I run my company payroll myself, so sometimes I do have to wait longer because I haven't got time to get online and make payments.

2bazookas · 19/06/2022 14:41

I pay on the nail on receipt of invoice. Cash or bank exchange, their choice.

I've done this for years , one part of cultivating my reputation (among local trades) as an ideal employer. I never have a problem finding top quality tradesmen (recommended by people who worked for me) at fair prices.

GCRich · 19/06/2022 14:41

Flyinggeese1234 · 19/06/2022 14:40

He shouldn’t have to ask. It’s obvious!

Clients should pay before they receive an invoice? This thread is NUTS.

Comefromaway · 19/06/2022 14:43

Unless you live in a void with no internet access whatsoever, it's not hard to grab your phone and pay people.

except several of us have detailed that it does take longer than 5 mins with pcs, card readers and all sorts.

Plus people are not wedded to their emails (assuming the invoice was sent by email). I don’t check emails over the weekend.

TheDoveFromAboveCooCoo · 19/06/2022 14:43

@GCRich you genuinely wait beyond payday to pay your employees?? So you pay them late?