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AIBU?

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to be upset that our new neighbours have turned out to belong to the Jesus People cult?

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newyearnightmare · 01/01/2008 22:41

Does anybody know anything about the Jesus people (think they are also known as the Jesus Army)?

Having been happily settled for the last couple of years in a nice home that is perfect for our needs, we discovered to our horror the other day that our new neighbours are mini-bus driving members of the Jesus People. Aforementioned minibus is often parked across our drive (albeit part of the communal access area, making access difficult not just for us but others too) and very visible. Plus they always seem to have lots of other visitors/cars blocking up the drive and parking dangerously on the road.

We're not planning on moving in the near future, but this is making us reconsider - I don't like the thought of bringing up dc next door to a cult. But then, I know that we probably wouldn't have moved here if they were here before we were - and that it will have knocked a chunk off the value of the property and make a sale more difficult. And even I can recognise that it is going to be pretty difficult to ask them to compensate us for loss of value to the property should we move.

Sorry this is more of a rant than a real question - I guess AIBU to be worried about these new neighbours? One of the things they seem to believe in is taking 'social undesirables' (convicts, drug addicts etc) in to their homes to 'rehabilitate' (convert...) them - very NIMBY of me I know, but not really the people that I want as neighbours, especially with young dc and one of the reasons we moved here.

I don't really know much about the JP other than growning up near the village where it started - where it was definitely seen as a cult that had a bad effect on the village and was very strange and had a very twisted take on christianity. Looking on the internet now, it seems to have turned into a fairly big organisation so they have maybe gone a little more mainstream but AIBU to be so wary of them?

Whilst we haven't had much to do with these new neighbours, we did get a christmas present from them - one of those very dodgy conversion type booklets that skews things. Which both of us found fairly insulting - and made dh pretty angry - he has been pondering what to get for them in return - current favourites are the Richard Dawkins book 'The God Delusion' or a booklet on escaping from cults (if we can find one!) .

Sorry if these seems like a bit of a rant. Just not really sure what to do or feel as our dream house seems to be turning into a nightmare with nothing we can do about it. But if anyone has any suggestions - they would be very gratefully received!

And just to clarify - it's specifically the Jesus Army/Jesus People cult that I am worried about - not Christians/Christianity in general!

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geekymummy · 02/01/2008 15:01

An interesting article on Alice Cooper

Lauriefairycake · 02/01/2008 15:07

They are close to my definition of a cult if I take out the negative brainwashing aspects of the word cult - I have friends in there in the one in Northampton and they are perfectly normal, happy clappy Christians who work for their local community.

I do, however take exception to your term 'social undesirables' citing drug addicts and 'convicts' (obviously you mean ex-convicts, people who have served time in prison and been returned to society). I work with people who are drug/alcohol dependant and who have been in prison and who come out and can't get benefits and end up on the street.

I have no hesitation about inviting them back to my house (indeed i have done) for a meal and a chat - and if one of my neighbours thought that was somehow 'wrong' and pulled me up on it I would be upset and ashamed at them 'worrying about property values and their dream house turning into a nightmare'.

If you want to complain about inconsiderate parking then I'm sure they will be very neighbourly about it - they serve God and the community in which they love - I for one think there are very many worse people to live next door to.

Like small minded, bigoted, daily mail readers - a group which I'm sure you are not a member of.

Lauriefairycake · 02/01/2008 15:08

the community in which they live - Freudian slip there

DaisyMoo · 02/01/2008 15:21

Thank you very much whenachildisbob, I now can't get "Jesus turned our sorrow into da-an-cing" out of my head now

newyearnightmare · 03/01/2008 00:22

Thanks everybody for your comments.

Lucy5, BB and co - I had been doing some research on the internet - but always tend to take it with a pinch of salt, especially for something like this as I know there are lots of people that have extreme views to push on the subject (both for and against) so was hoping to get some MN real life input - which I did and it was great, so thanks again .

Lauriefairiecake - apologies, I didn't mean to cause offence when I put 'social undesirables' - it was late, I was tired, worried and I was trying to keep my post a reasonable length so probably over simplified. You're right, it is a very nice thing to do, to invite somebody home for a meal and a chat if they are having a bad time/ find themselves on the street/ etc. And if it was just that, then that would be fine (so long as they didn't block my driveway ).

However, from some of the research that I had managed to find online, it seems that it can be a lot more than that - inviting people that they have 'picked up' off the street to come and live with them - in order to rehabilitate and recruit them. But initially at least, they don't really know them or if their intentions are to be rehabilitated or to 'freeload' (sorry, am sure there is probably a better way to put this but once again it is late and my only chance to get onto MN and so my brain isn't in top gear). I am also being influenced by past experience - a couple of friends in London previously found that houses near them had been bought and turned into halfway houses (one for ex convicts, one for drug addicts in rehabilitation scheme) after they moved in. Both sets of friends had never had any problems before these houses were set up; afterwards they and their neighbours were burgled several times, there were needles and drug paraphenalia thrown into front gardens, etc etc. To cap it all off, when one of them came to sell (other is still there) the estate agent told them that the price they would get for their property was 5-10% lower than they would have otherwise done, all attributable to the problems the area was having since the rehab scheme had been set up locally. A not insignificant amount that in London had a significant impact on their next property purchase.

So yes, on the one hand I think it is absolutely right to be 'upset and ashamed' at neighbours if you think they have problems when you are basically being nice. On the other hand, with young dc to worry about, if the house next door is suddenly bought by people that I have only had knowledge of being a cult and others having problems (as I said in my OP, this was based on 20-30 years ago and the stuff that I had found on the internet), then it is surely only right to to at least try to find out if there are likely to be any effects or problems or things to be wary of - or not (which is what I am really hoping!) ?

This is one of the reasons I had posted this message to start with - my research online had suggested that this was a potential problem - but as most of the stuff out there tends to be very pro or very anti, it is difficult to know where the actual balance lies and how that will affect my family - who after all are my main concern. I was hoping that I might find out from others who had experienced anything like this if I needed to be be worried or not, if you see what I mean.

And VS - so far have heard no music - hippy, happy clappy or otherwise - from the house, and I they seem pretty straightlaced - the only weed they are likely to have is in the garden after they have been away rather than in a roll up for smoking

And glad to have provided an opportunity for a surreal discussion of christian music!

SB - thanks for the inside info - and you'll have to let me know when you sell your story to the sun as it sounds an interesting read - it's not a paper that I would usually buy (or the daily mail for that matter!)

Thanks again everyone for your comments; sorry this has turned into a long post again, must start trying to get onto mumsnet during the day when I am awake enough to be concise!

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ninedragons · 03/01/2008 01:22

Just to chuck in my support for newyearnightmare.

I found my fantasy house on the Internet two years ago - the most gorgeous little stucco cottage with wisteria around the porch door. Went to view it, and it was down an alley next door to a methodone clinic. Didn't even bother to get out of the car. The OP is quite right to worry about her property value. The place I looked at, despite being biscuit-tin pretty and beautifully renovated, is still on the market two years later.

I don't think that people who don't want to live next to people with serious drug problems should be blanket condemned as Daily Mail bigots. Of course people who need help must be given every opportunity to get it. But the place for these people to get help is specialist institutions, not ad hoc care by untrained dippy religious amateurs in suburban streets.

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