Prince Harry - something bugging me...

[StinkingCold]

Sorry, another Harry thread

Anyway, couple of things have been really bugging me recently...

1. He is getting paid 6 figures to be some advisor of a mental health charity

1. He has had 4 years therapy and is encouraging everyone else to get help like him

Now...here's my gripes!!...

1. What qualifications does he have to earn this salary as a mental health advisor?????? I've worked in mental health over 20 years, have an undergrad, MSc and Doctorate in a mh field, and have lectured on aspects of MH in my field. Despite my qualifications and experience, I would not consider myself qualified for a 6-figure salaried advisory post on mental health. So with zero qualifications or experience, how the hec does Harry think he is qualified to earn a six figure salary advising on the topic????? It just feels so naive and arrogant.

1. Good for you Harry, having 4 years therapy. Now in the real world, there is not 1 single NHS trust in the entire country likely to offer 4 years of therapy, or even 2, or even 1. Very difficult to even access 6 months or 3 months. Even for people who really really need it. I'm talking high risk, or whose functioning is severely impacted by their mental.health. The reality when you "seek help" for you mental health is a massive wait list followed by 6 sessions of guided self help over the phone. If you are really 'lucky' you might also be allowed to attend a short group programme of 6 sessions, maybe 12, probably on zoom. If you miss a couple.of appointments because you didn't get the letter, or phone was broken, or you were simply too unwell to get to your appointments, you'll probably lose the offer of the group or guided self help. If you have endured long and complex, multiple trauma, are self harming frequently, and drinking alot and overdosing - you might get offered 12 or 24 sessions of (probably group, maybe online only) DBT - but only if you really beg and show you are very very keen and won't miss any sessions. For most people, there is simply nothing. Maybe a referral to a charity for 4 sessions of counselling.

What planet are you on Harry. I wish wish wish you would realise how privileged you are to indulge yourself in 4 years of therapy, and that you could recognise your privilege. Wouldn't it be great if you could use you power and privilege to actually change the mental health system (in the UK) and advocate for more availability of therapeutic services, and maybe even donate large sums of cash to making therapy more available and accessible to the masses. I don't want to hear anymore about how therapy changed you, opened your eyes etc... Most of us simply.cant afford to go private, and the NHS is at breaking point and can't offer what is needed

[wellards]

All the resentment over here reflects pretty poorly on us as a nation IMO - why do we have this need to snipe from the sidelines? Just let him be. He hasn't hurt you.

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[wellards]

people get upset because they are paying for the royal family and expect them to do their job i.e shake hands with foreign dignitaries and keep their mouths shut.

Prince Harry left

Does the above advice apply to all the Royals?

[northstars]

It's so true. It really just pisses me right off!!! Everyone else in the Royal family are qualified in all their endeavours

@VladmirsPoutine sorry, did I miss something? Who in the royal family is “qualified in all their endeavours” exactly?

[Tabitha005]

@TheLeadbetterLife

Most super rich people are like this. In their own world, where people get paid exorbitant amounts to do very little with no qualifications. They think it’s real though.

When it comes to the royals it’s even worse - enough people buy into the idea that what they do is work, and that they somehow serve the public, to keep the insane sham going.

Of course he’s deluded. He was raised in another world.

Come to think of it, even if they're not waffling about any cause, I still find a great many celebrities or 'notable people' really dull to listen to beyond being entertained by them as actors, artists, musicians, performers etc. The whole cult of celebrity renders a great many people, ironically, really dull.

[JinglingHellsBells]

Have not read the whole thread but my impression is he's a figure head/ like a patron.

[Confusedandshaken]

As a psychotherapist who spent a long time working in the charity sector (and has also had years in therapy) I can only dream of the sort of donations having Prince Harry on board will generate. Whatever he is being paid will be dwarfed by what his profile will bring in. They won't be scrabbling around for cash to pay for stamps and printer toner!

Also, it's all very well people saying therapy should have taught him compassion etc. That would be an ideal but you are talking about a man raised in the public eye, who lost his mother young in a very public scandal/tragedy. His dad then married the long term mistress he cheated on his mum with and bought her into the family home. He was sent to boarding school young and he was a front line soldier. His extended family is deeply dysfunctional. Any one of these things will negatively impact on a persons psyche, let alone all of them. He is probably deeply damaged. Well done to him for trying to break the cycle.
His therapy will probably have focussed on understanding his own needs and putting himself and his new family first rather than seeking to understand and forgive his family of origin. That's the most important requirement for effective change - understanding that you can't change the past or other people but can only change yourself and the future. Hopefully understanding and compassion for the people who (unintentionally I'm sure) inflicted such damage on him will come later.

[KingsleyShacklebolt]

@x2boys

Hes not working n Mental health Hes supporting a charity its not like he will sitting down with patients doing mental health assesments most "Royals" are Patrons of some kind of charity

Most Royals are paid nothing for their charity patronages. It's part of the job, goes with the territory.

Harry's being paid as a figurehead yes but if I were contributing to the charity I'd be wondering if I was getting my money's worth.

[MythicalBiologicalFennel]

Great post Confusedandshaken, full of knowledge, empathy and understanding. Such a contrast to the opening post!

Other than that what a nasty thread. Full of personal attacks and downright insults towards someone who is trying to use his position to do something positive. Why?

[supermoonrising]

As far as I’m aware he hasn’t broken the law, nor has he used his position to try to affect or change the laws of our country. I’d focus my ire on the likes of Prince Andrew (possibly broken the law) or the Queen and Charles (using their power and influence to lobby the legal process).
Better yet, just get rid of the flawed institution itself rather than pick on individually flawed members of it.

[Crumble012]

H and M may no longer ‘work’ for the RF but they are trading on their status as Royals to accumulate significant money and influence/power. The RF originally gained their position over the rest of us ‘peasants’ and vast financial resources / land through force. The RF still enjoy immense privilege and financial resources because they are tolerated by the British public, but this is only because they are not allowed to interfere in politics and are seen as providing some kind of ‘service’ to the British people. H and M are disliked by many because they don’t want to ‘serve’ the British public, nor do they want a quiet life doing good deeds, they want to be rich celebrities! As they are trading off their status as royals in the US (where the nuances of the RF is not fully understood), they are still ‘using’ the British public who continue to fund and allow the RF to continue.

[derxa]

Harry is annoying in many ways but he's left the royal family firm now. Best of luck to him.

[supermoonrising]

@cookingisoverrated
He's a self-absorbed privileged twat who doesn't have a clue about what life is like for the other 99%
Sure. But I’d still rather have a beer with him than William, Charles, the Queen or any of the other lot. He at least had the balls to step out of his Ribbon Cutting Silly Suit Wearing Red Arrow Gawking comfort zone and live like a proper goldfish bowl celebrity rather than some weird medieval throwback.

[Islamorada]

M & H both have an agenda and won’t go away any time soon.

[SunshineCake1]

Both of them are idiots.

She wears $300k worth of jewellery and $7k worth of clothes to visit a school to read her book where the families are so poor that 90+% get free school meals.

They are just an embarrassment. Lecture about being green and private and then have three SUVs and police following them around.

[M4J4]

@StinkingCold

Sorry, another Harry thread

Anyway, couple of things have been really bugging me recently...

1. He is getting paid 6 figures to be some advisor of a mental health charity

1. He has had 4 years therapy and is encouraging everyone else to get help like him

Now...here's my gripes!!...

1. What qualifications does he have to earn this salary as a mental health advisor?????? I've worked in mental health over 20 years, have an undergrad, MSc and Doctorate in a mh field, and have lectured on aspects of MH in my field. Despite my qualifications and experience, I would not consider myself qualified for a 6-figure salaried advisory post on mental health. So with zero qualifications or experience, how the hec does Harry think he is qualified to earn a six figure salary advising on the topic????? It just feels so naive and arrogant.

1. Good for you Harry, having 4 years therapy. Now in the real world, there is not 1 single NHS trust in the entire country likely to offer 4 years of therapy, or even 2, or even 1. Very difficult to even access 6 months or 3 months. Even for people who really really need it. I'm talking high risk, or whose functioning is severely impacted by their mental.health. The reality when you "seek help" for you mental health is a massive wait list followed by 6 sessions of guided self help over the phone. If you are really 'lucky' you might also be allowed to attend a short group programme of 6 sessions, maybe 12, probably on zoom. If you miss a couple.of appointments because you didn't get the letter, or phone was broken, or you were simply too unwell to get to your appointments, you'll probably lose the offer of the group or guided self help. If you have endured long and complex, multiple trauma, are self harming frequently, and drinking alot and overdosing - you might get offered 12 or 24 sessions of (probably group, maybe online only) DBT - but only if you really beg and show you are very very keen and won't miss any sessions. For most people, there is simply nothing. Maybe a referral to a charity for 4 sessions of counselling.

What planet are you on Harry. I wish wish wish you would realise how privileged you are to indulge yourself in 4 years of therapy, and that you could recognise your privilege. Wouldn't it be great if you could use you power and privilege to actually change the mental health system (in the UK) and advocate for more availability of therapeutic services, and maybe even donate large sums of cash to making therapy more available and accessible to the masses. I don't want to hear anymore about how therapy changed you, opened your eyes etc... Most of us simply.cant afford to go private, and the NHS is at breaking point and can't offer what is needed

The whole premise of your OP is flawed. BetterUp isn’t a charity, they CHARGE companies for their coaching service.

This is misleading and really quite shit. Do better.

[Generallystruggling]

Totally agree. Asking for help is more often than not a case of being prescribed tablets and sent on your way. Long, long waiting list for NHS counselling and it’s approx £50 a session to go private which most can’t afford every week. As you say, NHS counselling is also only 8-12 sessions and 12 is if you’re really ‘lucky’.

I’ve been having NHS counselling recently and I’ve been fucked around so much, it’s made me feel even worse. They’re all telephone appointments. First counsellor turned me away entirely because I had my baby with me so rearranged to have an evening appointment so DH could watch him. Second counsellor went on annual leave after the first session, then went off sick, then came back for one session only to go on annual leave again so I requested a new counsellor. New counsellor is on a Monday so missed second session due to bank holiday, then missed third because he was off sick. If I cancelled so many appointments due to ‘annual leave’ they’d strike me off the list.

Harry is an overprivileged egotistical twat.

[Islamorada]

Yet lefties would back them up. As long as they deceive about caring for the poor and the underdog nothing else matters.

Meghan obviously hates the monarchy so why did she married Harry? Was this part of a plan? It is like hating Trump and marrying his son.

[NOTANUM]

@ForgedInFire

YANBU and I'm sick of celebrities raising "awareness" of mental health. There is enough awareness and not enough treatment to go around. I posted a few weeks ago about losing my partner to suicide- he was on a long waiting list for counselling that he never managed to access. I have been unable to access grief counselling despite self-referring and pursuing it. I'm lost somewhere in the system. I'm glad Prince Harry is able to fund himself 4 years of therapy but I can't even get help after finding my partner dead. The system is broken.

I'm so sorry @ForgedInFire. Everyone should read your post as it is the precise point the OP is making.

Harry can talk all day long about the need to seek professional help but way too many people here and in the US just can't.

[HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend]

have an undergrad, MSc and Doctorate in a mh field, and have lectured on aspects of MH in my field.

Yet with all those qualifications you can’t understand he’s PR for MH and is a supporter ,

[Malteser71]

Where did it all go so wrong for Harry, I wonder?

[M4J4]

@Islamorada

Yet lefties would back them up. As long as they deceive about caring for the poor and the underdog nothing else matters.

Meghan obviously hates the monarchy so why did she married Harry? Was this part of a plan? It is like hating Trump and marrying his son.

What are you on about? The left generally don’t like royals because of the idea that they are innately superior to mere mortals.

It’s the right that lap that shit up.

[TolkiensFallow]

As another mental health worker it generally annoys me that the royals run around bleating about mental health when they aren’t really talking about mental health. They’re generally talking about emotional well-being and bereavement, at most PTSD and suicide.

I’ve can’t imagine any of near someone with psychosis or acutely mentally ill.

I try to reframe it as “at least it helps to destigmatise mental health as a concept” but yes, it’s his privilege. He actually seems the least stable he’s been for a while.

[CityMumma78]

I can’t stand him or his wife… pair of disingenuous fakes using connections and titles for PR and $$$ exploitation! Harry with zero qualifications or credibility wouldn’t even warrant a junior role and Megan is pretending / acting as a humanitarian and an author! What about all the normal folk that have studied hard and worked for years and years expanding their experiences and skill set honing their craft. These two are a joke.

[PlonkyWillyWonky]

I agree with @Confusedandshaken
We all have our demons
The system is broken, but it has has helped us to talk about it more openly
That has to be better

[RandomWordGenerator]

@wellards

How is it any different to all the other slebs & royals who work with charities.

It’s not a charity. It’s a company that wants to make money.

I work in the charity sector and I’m not aware of royals or celebs being paid by charities (unless they happened to do a normal job!). They would be patrons or trustees, neither of which can be paid positions.