To think WHO are trying to commit organisational suicide? They’ve said that women of childbearing age should not drink alcohol AT ALL.

[RickiTarr]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/16/accused-sexism-saying-women-childbearing-age-should-not-drink/

[IAmDaveTheSerialShagger]

Yep read this in the Daily Fail, seems society is moving backwards, I feel very uneasy with this and forced vaccinations for carers.

I am 46 and stopped drinking the day after my 22nd Birthday after vowing never too drink again, and I stuck with that, the WHO has just thrown woman's rights back 80 years!

[RickiTarr]

@GuildfordGal

It's late and I'm very tired, but I feel a whispery paranoia about this. Not that I'm concerned that it will have any traction here, but that the thing has been green-lit at several levels to get to this stage. How?

I can't get around that this is the WHO.

Yes it’s an uneasy feeling.

[me4real]

It is necessary to raise awareness among decision-makers and the general public about the risks and harms associated with alcohol consumption. Appropriate attention should be given to prevention of the initiation of drinking among children and adolescents, prevention of drinking among pregnant women and women of childbearing age, and protection of people from pressures to drink, especially in societies with high levels of alcohol consumption where heavy drinkers are encouraged to drink even more

Holy fuck. An org in the USA said this s few years back and got lambasted. What are they thinking??!!

//www.who.int/publications/m/item/global-action-plan-on-alcohol-1st-draft

@NiceGerbil It's late so maybe I'm missing something but have they changed it? I can't see any ref to women in particular on that page or any linking off it. Maybe they've removed the offending bits due to the uproar. It just goes on about the problem of children and adolescents being targeted with marketing etc.

[RickiTarr]

@me4real prevention of drinking among pregnant women and women of childbearing age,

From the middle of that excerpt you’ve copied.

[fallfallfall]

i don't see the problem? please explain it to me.
nothing good happens with or from alcohol use.
i'm a fun sponge the people who i've seen drink say and do stupid shit and marriages and families are slowly destroyed.
it would be great if women took the lead on this.
not to mention alcohol use is a the waste of money.

[RickiTarr]

@fallfallfall

i don't see the problem? please explain it to me.
nothing good happens with or from alcohol use.
i'm a fun sponge the people who i've seen drink say and do stupid shit and marriages and families are slowly destroyed.
it would be great if women took the lead on this.
not to mention alcohol use is a the waste of money.

As @NiceGerbil said, they’re making a clear link to reproductive function in suggesting that all adult women shouldn’t drink until menopause (which is mightily extreme). So why no concern about alcohol and male fertility, or sperm quality?

I don’t actually drink much at all, but I reserve the right to get sizzled if I want to. It’s certainly not women’s job to lead the way in some international temperance revival, in the mould of Victorian m-style moral anchors.

Women don’t make babies without help. We have self-determination and roles beyond potential embryo- incubation. Why make such an extreme recommendation and not extend it to men of child-siring age (any age then)? Answers I. A postcard.

[RickiTarr]

Sozzled. Not sizzled. This is why I don’t need to get sizzled.

[me4real]

@RickiTarr I can't see that mentioned at all, am I viewing the same thing?

www.who.int/publications/m/item/global-action-plan-on-alcohol-1st-draft

I wondered if they've changed the wording of that particular page for PR reasons. I'm not denying it mightn't be their ideal or in the main body of the plan itself. Sorry to quote in full, this is what it says now:-

'Overview
The harmful use of alcohol causes approximately 3 million deaths every year and the overall burden of disease and injuries attributable to alcohol consumption remains unacceptably high. The pace of development and implementation of alcohol policies has been uneven in WHO regions, and resources and capacities for implementation of the WHO Global strategy to reduce the harmful use of alcohol 10 years after its endorsement do not correspond to the magnitude of the problems. On this basis, the WHO Executive Board in its decision EB146 (14) called for accelerated action to reduce the harmful use of alcohol.

The Board considered the report on the political declaration of the third high-level meeting of the General Assembly on the prevention and control of non-communicable diseases, particularly Annex 3, entitled “Implementation of the global strategy to reduce the harmful use of alcohol,” and the report on the findings of the consultative process on implementation of the global strategy to reduce the harmful use of alcohol and the way forward.

The Board, in its decision EB146 (14), requested the WHO Director-General, inter alia, “to develop an action plan (2022-2030) to effectively implement the Global strategy to reduce the harmful use of alcohol as a public health priority, in consultation with Member States and relevant stakeholders, for consideration by the 75th World Health Assembly through the 150th session of the WHO Executive Board in 2022”, and “to develop a technical report on the harmful use of alcohol related to cross-border alcohol marketing, advertising and promotional activities, including targeting youth and adolescents, before the 150th session of the WHO Executive Board, which could contribute to the development of the action plan”, as well as “to adequately resource the work on the harmful use of alcohol.

As part of its response to decision EB146 (14), the WHO Secretariat will conduct a series of consultations on this working document for development of the action plan.

Read more about the process towards a global action plan here.'
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If you clear cache/view again does it still include anything about women? I can't see it there at all. If you can see it please highlight it in bold for me or something. I've read it numerous times now to try and see it lol.

[RickiTarr]

@RickiTarr I can't see that mentioned at all, am I viewing the same thing? confused

It’s literally smack bang in the middle of the italicised (quoted) chunk of your post at 02.57.

You’ve gone word blind. Try reading your 2.57 post aloud?

[RickiTarr]

Oh sorry you mean it’s different in the link? Knackered here too.

I will check if they changed it. It was there earlier.

[me4real]

Thanks. If it's not there now it looks like they've sneakily changed it.

[RickiTarr]

I think it’s still the same @me4real

Here is a time stamped screengrab.

[RickiTarr]

Is that too blurry?

[RickiTarr]

Try this.

[RickiTarr]

I think it’s that you’re reading the abstract and we skipped ahead to the “action areas”. I wouldn’t be surprised if it vanishes overnight though, given the furore brewing.

[me4real]

I can't find that on their site but it's mental, that's for sure.

[RickiTarr]

You have to download the actual policy document.

[me4real]

I had to download and search lol. It's totally bonkers, so extreme.

[RickiTarr]

Yes suspicious actually that they buried some of the key recommendations so well.

[Marguerite2000]

@fallfallfall

i don't see the problem? please explain it to me.
nothing good happens with or from alcohol use.
i'm a fun sponge the people who i've seen drink say and do stupid shit and marriages and families are slowly destroyed.
it would be great if women took the lead on this.
not to mention alcohol use is a the waste of money.

Are you for real?
It's fine if you choose not to drink, but the idea that all women of childbearing age shouldn't be allowed to is preposterous.
We are entitled to a life beyond being potentially pregnant for 40 odd years.

[Mintjulia]

My guess is whoever drafted it is in the 'religious or misogynistic weirdo' category, and won't be allowed to draft a parking notice from now on.

I'm waiting for the 'it was only a draft, prepared in error' statement, put out tomorrow. I hope...

[tillytown]

i don't see the problem? please explain it to me
Men have been controlling women still time begin, and now a world wide organisation wants to join in the fun. With that statement they have told the world that women aren't real people, just incubators, that's the problem.

[tillytown]

Begun, it's last

[FortVictoria]

@NiceGerbil

I'm 47 and still can't drink according to that.

Do they believe women are people and deserving of bodily autonomy or not?

This is straight out of the playbook of male led patriarchal religions that see women as no more than breeding stock that needs to be tightly controlled.

True. And the WHO are a male led patriarchal organisation, so this is consistent. You’d think they had better things to do in the middle of a pandemic.

[Waxonwaxoff0]

Well I'm 30 and I'm categorically not having any more children as I had mine young. Am I allowed to drink?