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To ask which new build houses you would avoid

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bridgetreilly · 28/04/2021 10:40

Looking for a house and there are several new build developments we’re interested in, but I’m finding it hard to get honest reviews. Are there builders with truly awful reputations that I shouldn’t even bother looking at?

And, conversely, has anyone got experience of a good quality new home that you love?

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opinionminion · 29/04/2021 13:58

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Eve · 29/04/2021 14:06

@Ragiam

Were in a Taylor wimpey, on the whole it is absolutely fine! We did have some snagging when moved in but they were very quick to fix them or replace things we weren't happy with! We have had one or two issues in the 6 years but generally is expect some issues in any house as things aren't designed to last for ever!
we had to move out of our Taylor Wimpey for 6 months which extended to 18 months so they could fix problems - like get the correct width floor joists in.

Was a complete and utter nightmare.

thereinmadnesslies · 29/04/2021 14:40

@Ilovemycat13

I understand things aren’t always perfect but every person on this thread said their snags were fixed straight away. Fair enough, but as a new build, surely you’d expect no snags?
We expected snags. We didn’t expect the snagging contractors to splash paint over the carpet and window frames in the process of doing the snagging. We certainly didn’t expect to have to wait 18m for Cala Homes to arrange for the unfinished snagging and the damaged caused by previous snagging work.
Lampzade · 29/04/2021 14:49

Friend bought a new build some years ago against my advice. She had only seen the show home.
Living room ceiling was not straight, she could hear neighbours even if they were speaking in a normal tone.

I would only live in a new build if I was designing it myself from scratch

Old houses for me

Lampzade · 29/04/2021 15:05

@KensingtonKate

Tbh OP i would not touch a new home anymore ever! Had 3 in total, yrs ago, my 1st, 2nd and 3rd homes. 2 , 2 bed flats in a new developments, then a new house. The last one of which a David Wilson home, but applies to all . Appalling shoddy build quality. Wooden framed structures with breeze block and brick outer skin. Dividing walls basically as thin as paper! Erected in record time and very packed together. Detached by only inches! Floors not level, walls not level, gas leaks, water leaks. Radiators falling off walls. Too hot in summer. Found sandwich packs, twix wrappers, coke bottles and crisp packs in the wall cavity, when opened up to extend the kitchen, builders had shoved daily their rubbish in there. Bath waste pipe fitted upside down, slow draining water . Only discovered when we had plumber in to find out what was going on, the bathroom floor had not enough recess , so rather than fix the floor, they bodged the waste. Ensuite shower leaked through tiles as pipework behind not tightened properly. Only noticed when tiles started to fall off and plumber discovered. Central heating system worked when it felt like it, discovered not recommended for the size of house i had. Needed bigger system. Garden soil was basically mashed up building rubble covered in turf. I have learnt so much about property but the hard way!

I have an older traditionally built house now and love it. Great walls to hang stuff, stays cool in summer. Feels solid and well built. Is detached in a true sense, not "on top" of neighbours. Renovated it from top to bottom and it has never given me a days hassle. Did everything over time and properly. Garden also established and lovely as previous owners planted much over 70 years. It was just a case of me jet washing patio, putting a garden seating set in and garden done.

I am downsizing in a few yrs to be mortgage free etc now only 1 DC at home but , will buy another smaller but older property like this . Older houses have a lovely history too and often when gardening i find old bits of pottery and coins. It is lovely to remember others who may have lived here hundreds of yrs ago.

The best thing about older homes are the cool proper walls in the summer. Keeps the house lovely and cool. You need a masonry drill to hang anything up but worth it. I also think older properties with original features have a better resale value if you are looking to move up the property ladder. New homes also depreciate in value immediately in the early yrs, a bit like brand new cars as soon as you drive off the forecourt.

I agree about old houses generally being easier to resell.
Twinkie01 · 29/04/2021 15:12

We live in a Crest Nicholson new build. They're brilliant.

LarsErickssong · 29/04/2021 15:13

I had never really thought about the reselling aspect but I've just had a look on rightmove for my area and you're right, older homes are getting snapped up within days at the moment whereas there's 7 houses for sale on the local 6 year old new build site and 4 of those have been on for over 6 months.

Otherpeoplesteens · 29/04/2021 15:15

We're in a Bloor Homes new build (2017 vintage) and have had no issues at all with it beyond some very minor snagging.

However, I think you need to be realistic with expectations: there are always going to be snagging issues with new builds, it's just part of the housebuilding process. And all new builds suffer from poor drainage in the gardens: the soil gets driven over and over again with heavy machinery and becomes tremendously compacted.

StatisticallyChallenged · 29/04/2021 15:48

I think the reselling varies a lot. There's only been one on our estate come on since we moved in and it was snapped up in days but they're big family homes with good layouts. We used to live in the city centre and the victorian/georgian period flats certainly moved quicker than their new build counterparts but we're talking a world heritage site so character is part of why you live there.

Now we're in a small town, there isn't much stock of period family houses and most of them are on narrow roads with no parking and a steady stream of traffic and most seem to need a lot spent on them too. I have noticed that some of the smaller new builds don't move quickly when they come up though and they do look expensive compared to the 70s/80s stock that's around.

When we bought the only older property was the same floor area, much bigger garden so lots of potential, but also beside an increasingly busy road. It needed a lot of money spent on it (windows, boiler, electrics, kitchen, bathroom, total redecoration) and it sold for 10% more than the one we ended up buying. We considered it long and hard but in reality ny the time it was done we'd have probably spent 30% more and I don't think it would have recouped it, largely due to the cheaper new builds which would have made it look very expensive.

name674398 · 29/04/2021 16:04

Definitely depends on area. I've been quite surprised how quickly the ex new builds that are 2-3 years old have sold when the developer is still on site here, and selling for not much less compared to the brand new price (and substantially more than what the owner originally bought it for) considering you can negotiate incentives I'd assume most people would want new though I appreciate the appeal of not needing to snag etc on a nearly new house.

I think for us it's desirability of area, our town doesn't have a lot of "heritage" properties, it's largely 1960s onwards, the new build areas offer good sizes, modern living and layouts and in catchment for excellent schools, lovely man made nature reserves etc. If the area is desirable houses will sell, new or old.

bridgetreilly · 29/04/2021 16:16

Fair enough, but as a new build, surely you’d expect no snags?

No, I think you'd always expect snags when a house is lived in for the first time. Things which weren't apparent until they were tried and tested over time. As far as I know, all home-builders anticipate having to fix snags over the first year or so.

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AnUnoriginalUsername · 29/04/2021 16:20

I'd never buy a new build. We went to view a 10yo one and the staircase was falling away from the wall and there were chips in the ceiling where the nails used to put the plaster boards up were coming back out. Loads of issues with things that were bodged falling apart.
We also bought our current house from people moving into a new build and almost bailed out because it was delay after delay with their house being built.

The streets and garages are designed for tiny little clown cars too.

bridgetreilly · 29/04/2021 16:28

Just googled Redrow. They do look great. Sadly none round here.

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SwimBaby · 29/04/2021 16:37

That’s a shame OP as they are lovely.

Nirnroot · 29/04/2021 17:33

We recently purchased a new build and our home is an Avant home. We have had a great experience with them as a whole and with our new house. We do have snags, but our list is currently sitting at about 12 snags total, none of which have any detriment to everyday quality of life. Our snags are things like "Door has small chip at bottom corner" and another is "touch drawer is harder to open than should be" etc. Some of the snags people have described earlier are pretty shocking! Oh it's also worth saying that like a similar poster we moved into the estate while it's still being built, so our snags were addressed about 3 weeks after move in. I'd highly recommend doing that if you can.

We bought this house as it had good size rooms, was detached, and this was my number one "thing": A big enough sitting room. I have no idea who designs some new builds but some sitting rooms are like wee shoeboxes, and I'd avoid those if you can. Avant homes are very nice looking too, and the bi-fold doors are worth it alone...even if it rains all the time where I live Grin

The new build hatred doesn't surprise me as some ARE terrible (Persimmon- I have heard horror stories verging on bad to "danger to life") but Avant I can recommend. I do love old houses and their character but I previously rented old houses and one thing that's never left me is the cold from them! That's one thing the insulation in new builds is something I love, and the lack of damp problems!

BraveBraveMouse · 29/04/2021 17:46

Tayfield Homes should be avoided like the plague. They are a small developer and have started various subsidiary companies for different projects that go by other names, that should have been a clue for me that they were going to be a nightmare to deal with.

LostBlanket · 29/04/2021 18:09

I live in a Redrow build and it's amazing. Very good quality and not one problem has been experienced by me or my neighbours.

Theloftmonster · 29/04/2021 18:12

Beware the estate rent charges. Its not just a maintenance fee. Lots of new builders have set them up using more or less forgotten historic laws. The result is that you have less rights than leasehold properties and also risk the rent charge owner being able to grant a 99 year lease out of your property making it virtually worthless to you. Lots of mortgage lenders won't touch them.

Also they are often badly built. One scandal involved the houses having insufficient fire protection measures in the loft. Something that was only discovered when one burnt down!

You know the lovely lakes they build around? They are often balancing pond because the properties are built on land liable to flood.

The NHBC offer limited protection, remember that the builders are their clients, not you. There are other similar schemes so NHBC have to compete for business and you don't get that if you favour the homeowners Wink

Darl1111 · 21/11/2021 10:07

Hi, we are about to buy a bovis home and only just looked at the reviews on trustpilot which are really awful (not even 2) compared to others which are 4+. Bovis only has a couple of hundred reviews and others have thousands. When I read the others bad reviews they’re actually all similar to the bad bovis ones. We are now really nervous to buy our house and we were so so excited, due to exchange and move in before Christmas. Does anyone have any experience of Bovis they can share please? Thanks

InFiveMins · 21/11/2021 10:11

I've had a Barratts and it was great, didn't have a single issue and neither did my neighbours (to my knowledge). Would buy a Barratt home again.

InstantHorlicks · 21/11/2021 10:37

I live in a new build Morrish home and love everything about it.

RVN123 · 21/11/2021 10:37

We are in a new detached 4 bedroomed Miller Home in Scotland. We've been in for nearly two years, and we bought off plan before it was finished.

We have had a few snags but they were mainly decorative, like scratched window panes, and poor paint work. The main snag we had was a leak from the upstairs bathroom sink in the first week, which came through to the kitchen ceiling, so that part of the kitchen ceiling had to be cut out, left to dry and replastered. The repair was a shoddy job. We eventually had the whole ceiling cladded in pvc with recessed lights anyway so it is entirely hidden now.

When I read about home with 400 snags etc, I am always inclined to believe that a lot of these are minor decorative things like nail pops as the house dries out, rubbish paintwork etc. I know there are some with major flaws and that is terrible, but don't buy a new build expecting that it's going to be perfect, especially as the house dries out over the first two years. You WILL get nail pops and cracks appearing as the house shifts. You are told not to decorate for two years while this happens (I did as I was too impatient).

In terms of covenants, we were told not to change the look of the house at the front, so no changing the front door, garage door, or planting bushes, erecting fences or hedges etc. This is to keep the estate looking 'nice' for prospective buyers. No parking works vans in your driveway.
In reality, people have already converted their garages, changed their front doors, ripped up their lawns to extend their driveways, planted hedges etc.
They don't enforce it, and I don't think they really care.

We were also told that the attic is not meant to support any true weight and not to use it to store anything other than Christmas decorations etc. However, some people on the estate have had theirs floored for further storage, BUT - this invalidates the NHBC warranty - if anything were to go wrong and the floor was to collapse they would not be covered.

The houses are extremely well spaced apart from each other, the roads are wide, the gardens are large. The rooms are spacious. The master bedroom has a superking bed in in and there is still five feet space on all sides of the bed at least. The kitchen and bathroom are very large. So not all new builds are cramped with tiny gardens, this is a myth that has sprung up that accompanies these stories of terrible new builds.

Miller have been okay with fixing snags although during covid obviously they have been unable to fix thing as fast as we would like.

I have been pretty pleased with the house. Yes we have had to fix a few things, but so does everyone who buys a house. Our estate has a Facebook page and there is no-one who has experienced what I would call major snags.

If you get a good site manager, it also makes a huge difference!
The roads are not 'adopted' by the council until the estate is finished too, so we don't get gritted in the winter and have to deal with that.
There is a yearly fee to a 'factor' who look after the communal green areas etc. Its about £10 a month and covers them cutting the grass etc .
Can't think of anything else, my advice would be to actually visit the houses, talk to the people on the estate, and not go by the horror stories you hear in the press.

Peacocking · 21/11/2021 11:54

I havent read the whole thread, but just wanted to put my experience forward. I bought a new build about ten years ago. A huge financial investment and I was stressed out during the purchase as many people are. My house had snags. In hindsight they were no big deal. Minor scratches on the windows, bits of tiling, bits of woodwork. Because I was so stressed and on edge still they seemed like a HUGE deal to me and I kicked up a lot of fuss. If my housebuilding had trustpilot I would have left them angry reviews. They wouldn't have been deserved.

I think reviews of housebuilding are valuable, but should be looked at in the context that quite a lot are from stressed people who have just made the biggest purchase of their life and their perspective may be skewed. I'm sure many reviews are fair...but many more may not be.

housemaus · 24/11/2021 22:47

Semi-outing so I've namechanged, but I'm a property journalist and short of a very small local developer with exceptional feedback, I'd avoid new builds.

Estate fees, ridiculous covenants as PPs have mentioned like no pets/vans/sheds/conservatories/washing lines/Sky dishes, lots of them are leasehold which is a pain in the arse, non-standard construction making selling harder as lenders are pickier, timber frames making house insurance potentially more expensive, the endless horrendous mistakes (), smaller rooms, potential initial drop in value (a 2 year old new build with 1 previous owner can be worth less than, say, a brand new one as people get that 'first owner' feel, so not good if you're not planning to stay), generally shite gardens, overpricing because of Help to Buy, problems reselling as according to a study this year two thirds would never buy a new build, land prices are expensive so the construction has to be cheap for them to make a profit with the resulting quality issues...

More than half of new build buyers in Britain had 'major problems with construction, unfinished fittings and faults with utilities' according to Shelter.

There are countless Facebook groups dedicated to complaints and poor experiences with builders - these are worth checking if you find a builder and a development you're interested in.

I've had a look at St Modwen and 42% of their reviews on Trustpilot are shocking, which is a worryingly high percentage even if you consider a bias towards complaining (and as many of the reviews point out, they do ask for positive reviews too, so perhaps this bias is countered slightly).

I know this sounds very doom and gloom. But honestly, the quality of most new builds in the UK is not great, and that plus the other issues on top... I would just swerve them altogether.

Spagoot224 · 25/11/2021 22:42

We bought a Bellway new build last year. There has been some snagging issues but they’ve fixed them in fair enough time considering the pandemic. Room size in our build is very good, as is the garden size. Soil in the garden (or clay and rubble) is shite but this seems to be the case on most estates