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AIBU in thinking that Mumsnet needs a Chronic Pain Board

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Ouchwtfthistime · 26/02/2021 18:04

Because we need to talk about:

  1. Denial
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Christmasfairy2020 · 06/03/2021 08:45

@georgarina have you been referred to the ME clinic?

As long as it is supportive thats great. I work in chronic pain and have met lots of patients whom have been on supportive groups and not so supportive groups. Providing they are helpful thats great. As for meds please look at the new nice guidelines that have not been officially published yet for chronic primary pain. Keep it a supportive thread and not a comparison page and it will be very helpful x

Sooverthemill · 06/03/2021 08:54

@Christmasfairy2020 there are very few specialist ME clinics and most of those work along the real cbt and get lines which have just finally been removed from the draft NICE guidance. My DD who is bedbound with very severe ME, POTs and EDS and is in a dark silent room 24/7 and has been for 7 years plus can’t be accepted by the ‘local ’ one ( bloody Mike’s away by ambulance)because she is too severe and they only work with people who will improve!
See, this is why we need a chronic pain board

georgarina · 06/03/2021 08:58

@Christmasfairy2020 I've been referred to the ME clinic but they only offer CBT and GET which don't help/are harmful. Other than that there's no support :/

SingToTheSky · 06/03/2021 08:58

@Akire

Just checked stationary topic it has 3 threads started this YEAR Total of 6 replies to those 3 threads.

Tattoo board one thread this year - ok I know shops are shut but its a whole area of chat and interest not just “my new tattoo is sore”

Weather has 3 threads this YEAR

Not moving super fast to slim down are they?

Wow. How did those threads even get set up? That’s crazy. Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake in setting up an almost pointless board, but to then not set up something people really need... ouch
Ouchwtfthistime · 06/03/2021 08:58

RitaFires - I've bounced around a bit, different GPs and rheumatologists. My first rheumy was great. I'd had a massive allergic reaction which turned into psoriasis everywhere (insect bites) & then joints started swelling. Was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis and DMARDs which after 2 years sorted me out. But my pain continued and he was perplexed and sent me to another rheumy for a second opinion, that one diagnosed EDS straight away, but didn't write it down... I went home and googled and was quite happy that EDS was a good fit (I have bowel, skin and swallowing stuff going on too) but was then treated like a mad woman because the diagnosis wasn't in my notes, he'd written down all the symptoms and about my hypermobility and subluxing joints but not actually EDS. I then thought I was mad because I couldn't work out how I'd heard about EDS (this was about 8 years ago so it wasn't as heard of then) if he hadn't said I'd got it. It was gas lighting in the extreme and because he immediately discharged me from rheumatology after diagnosis I couldn't go back to question it and the GP just raised eyebrows at me when I tried to explain.

Anyway (there is a point to this which relates to your story) the original rheumy left by the time I managed to get referred back, they all treated me with disdain (hence why one got told to go fuck themselves) and I approached Dr Kazkaz who runs the EDS clinic in London, the only issue was that I needed a referral either from my Rheumy (that wasn't going to happen, I'd been diagnosed with fibro by then so they were happy that they knew the cause of my pain, plus I made up stuff didn't I?!) and my GP point blank refused because she didn't feel comfortable doing it (maybe she thought she was encouraging my delusions). I told them I'd pay for them to write the letter and I would be a private patient with Dr Kazkaz but they still wouldn't do it.

Fortunately I was then very lucky, and my beady eyed OT had twigged with some of my symptoms. We checked things like my skin (soft and stretchy), feet (flat with those bobble things- can't remember the name), blue sclera eyes etc And we wrote these down. I then saw a new rheumy, who was young, and he went through the list, found other things as well and diagnosed hEDS but with classic crossover.

I'm just wondering if writing a list might be a way to go for you? I found having a list which I made him work through and check each point definitely helped me to stay on track and feel more in control. Sorry, that was long and rambling but I hope it helps a bit to explain the private process issues I had.

Reading that back, it's no wonder I've got issues with denial is it...

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DunravenBadger · 06/03/2021 08:58

[quote Christmasfairy2020]@georgarina have you been referred to the ME clinic?

As long as it is supportive thats great. I work in chronic pain and have met lots of patients whom have been on supportive groups and not so supportive groups. Providing they are helpful thats great. As for meds please look at the new nice guidelines that have not been officially published yet for chronic primary pain. Keep it a supportive thread and not a comparison page and it will be very helpful x[/quote]
I see where you're coming from and some groups do end up being more negative. But nobody on this chat has even so much has hinted at turning it into a competition. I understand that you work in chronic pain, but this is a thread/ board request for those personally experiencing chronic pain.

SingToTheSky · 06/03/2021 09:04

There might be a few posts like that (just like there are “race to the bottom” posts on hundreds of threads elsewhere.

I agree with this @Furries there are people like that anywhere, I have a (basically ex-)friend like it who does it with all available topics, she’s like an Elevenerifer but a negative version. But it definitely doesn’t take away from the overall supportiveness of a dedicated group/board!

Christmasfairy2020 · 06/03/2021 09:07

I work in pain clinic and see around 13 people per day with fibro, me, pots. Its hard living with pain and the main thing is be kind to yourself. The thoughts you have about yourself would you say them to a loved one? If not then why do we say it to ourselves. Me clinic is more mindfulness and pacing. If you haven't attended pain clinics before ask gp to refer and do the group zoom pmp. You are very much believed. Anyways I'm not going to comment anymore. Hopefully the group gets approved x

Akire · 06/03/2021 09:15

With all due respect being kind to yourself doesn’t solve the pain. We don’t tell women in Labour no pain relief just think nice thoughts. Yes mind set is a great and important thing, and we all try and see positives in extreme circumstances. But you can’t spent 20y never being honest or grumbling. We don’t expect it from your average person going about their day to lives. But somehow we are supposed to be saints and if we complain we are not trying hard enough.

I know plenty of people who have gone down pacing route , but if you can only do 5 things a day but every day you need to do 20 unless someone going step up
And pay for full time support then you have to just crack on. Even if you know
It’s to much, but that’s the reality.

SingToTheSky · 06/03/2021 09:22

Sounds like really valuable work you do christmas 💐

I was lucky when I was seen, my doctor had a hunch and referred me straight to St Barts where I saw prof Peter White. I later found out that had he referred me locally I would have been screwed as they were still using an old diagnostic test that meant basically if you had a history of MH issues you couldn’t be diagnosed with ME Hmm. I had a history, even being hospitalised as a teen. Prof White told me the trauma I’d endured as a young child had contributed to my illness, left me more vulnerable to it - I’m so glad I got to see him. They were doing the GET study at the time but it was never pushed on me, I had OT, psychotherapy and group therapy and it was much more about pacing and mindfulness/acceptance. It would have been so so different if I’d not been referred there, I’ll never forget the GP who listened to me

SingToTheSky · 06/03/2021 09:23

@Akire

With all due respect being kind to yourself doesn’t solve the pain. We don’t tell women in Labour no pain relief just think nice thoughts. Yes mind set is a great and important thing, and we all try and see positives in extreme circumstances. But you can’t spent 20y never being honest or grumbling. We don’t expect it from your average person going about their day to lives. But somehow we are supposed to be saints and if we complain we are not trying hard enough.

I know plenty of people who have gone down pacing route , but if you can only do 5 things a day but every day you need to do 20 unless someone going step up
And pay for full time support then you have to just crack on. Even if you know
It’s to much, but that’s the reality.

So, so true.
Akire · 06/03/2021 09:26

Pain clinics would be another issue to discuss. I’ve not heard great stories though appreciate you may only hear the bad. But seems again to be you need stop thinking about pain, if after two weeks you don’t, well you havnt engaged with the course. But love hear if after many years it taught you something new that the rest of us haven’t tried.

SingToTheSky · 06/03/2021 09:32

Akire I get what you mean. DH hasn’t had great experience with it and has been through all sorts of courses - he’s got a few different conditions (mainly degenerative disc disease and osteoporosis) but they don’t explain the specific pain he’s in. He tries everything but just feels like he has been discarded

Furries · 06/03/2021 11:08

Are you kidding me? For someone who works in a pain clinic, why the hell would you word your first post that way? You could have offered something insightful (as you’ve tried to do with your subsequent posts), but instead you’ve obviously gone with your true feelings. Which shows even more why a board like this is needed - because that is the kind of shit most people on here have probably had to deal with over the years.

“Being kind to yourself” is all well and good. Again, I’d bet my house that everyone on here tries to do that. But it’s a bit bloody pointless if people like you, in the job you do, secretly (or openly) have the viewpoint of your initial post.

You’ve really bloody annoyed me - and have reminded me why I DON’T discuss anything with people I know, but just crack on with things. At least you’ve had the grace to get your initial comment deleted.

I’m not going to comment anymore. To everyone else, I really hope this board gets set up. As a pp said, I never knew you all existed as I’m guessing that none of us give any indication of things when posting elsewhere 💐

picklemewalnuts · 06/03/2021 11:18

To be fair, many people continue to push harder than they need to, out of a desire to prove themselves or guilt if they don't.

Lots of people do need to be kinder to themselves. Beating myself up about my limitations doesn't make my symptoms better, help me do more, and actually makes mine worse. Acceptance can be helpful.

That absolutely doesn't mean we don't deserve treatment, or that we can talk ourselves out of pain.

Many people benefit from 'feel good' or 'kindness' therapies.

And I do avoid support groups where there is a lot of complaining about how awful our symptoms are- just because I'm afraid I'll notice similar symptoms myself! And I get depressed about it!

But that doesn't mean it isn't helpful for some, and there is so much more we can discuss!

TaraR2020 · 06/03/2021 11:27

Has anyone tried the Curable app?
I've just signed up and it looks really promising so far

DunravenBadger · 06/03/2021 11:27

@Akire

Pain clinics would be another issue to discuss. I’ve not heard great stories though appreciate you may only hear the bad. But seems again to be you need stop thinking about pain, if after two weeks you don’t, well you havnt engaged with the course. But love hear if after many years it taught you something new that the rest of us haven’t tried.
Totally agree with you. Friend with fibro suffered for years. He managed taking minimal cocodamol but asked to be referred as he wanted to deal with it in other ways. GP told him they couldn't refer him as he wasn't on strong enough medication. Was told they're primarily used to help wean people off very strong codeine etc so he would be welcome to try a stronger and stronger dose and if that didn't help then they could refer him but otherwise forget it.

Personally, I have been referred but I don't hold out much hope for it helping.

DunravenBadger · 06/03/2021 12:02

@TaraR2020

Has anyone tried the Curable app? I've just signed up and it looks really promising so far
Is this the one you have to pay for?
TaraR2020 · 06/03/2021 12:14

Yep but it wasn't much for a years use - less than a gym membership. 20 something I think- what swayed it for me is that I could spend the same price on an impulse buy (eg book) and this seemed like a much better return for my money!

Its been created by professionals in the specialism and seems to deliver much of the treatment that they give in pain clinics.

doadeer · 06/03/2021 12:41

Does anyone have hobbies?

I'm in a right state with my back but I think many of you are suffering far more than me. Wish I had the words to describe how frustrated I feel that you're forced to live this way 💐

picklemewalnuts · 06/03/2021 12:58

I miss my hobbies. I really do. But I have limited energy and attention span.

Not enough frikkin' spoons left for a hobby these days!

DunravenBadger · 06/03/2021 13:28

Does walking or yoga count as hobbies? I do them, sometimes I enjoy them but if I don't do them I'm in even more pain so most days it feels more like a chore than a hobby.

Apart from that, nope. I used to enjoy reading but now I struggle to hold books for longer than 5/10 mins due to the pain.

doadeer · 06/03/2021 13:39

100% yoga and walking and reading are!

My family run a yoga studio actually, prior to being pregnant I practiced every day but I can't do yoga anymore, it's just not good for me at the moment. But my sister does a beautiful mindfulness class on a sun evening enjoy. I lie in bed all wrapped up. It's lovely, I manage to switch off the pain for 30 mins.

SingToTheSky · 06/03/2021 13:43

I have quite a lot of hobbies but it’s only more possible as I’m in a less bad phase with my pain/fatigue. I love reading, drawing and playing piano. But I’m in a mini flare this week so have stopped piano - longest I’ve gone without playing it since I got my new one at new year. ATM I’m mostly binge watching Netflix. In really good times I even enjoy the gym and yoga classes.

One of the things I hate about the psychological impact of chronic illness is the epic guilt I feel for using any “spoons” on something fun, when there is so much else to do.

MedusasBadHairDay · 06/03/2021 14:07

@doadeer

Does anyone have hobbies?

I'm in a right state with my back but I think many of you are suffering far more than me. Wish I had the words to describe how frustrated I feel that you're forced to live this way 💐

I'm lucky in that most of my hobbies are fairly stationary, though I've still needed to make some adjustments. Sewing is the hardest one for me. I have to take a lot of breaks, and am insanely jealous of anyone with the space for an actual sewing table. I have to cut pattern pieces on the floor, which is awful for so many different joints at once. 😭

Drawing I've just moved to digital art, holding a mouse is so much less painful than a pen or pencil.