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Is it possible to be a foodie and also be slim/ lose weight

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SeeooelllaaaCola · 24/01/2021 17:12

Following from my post on another thread. I have only managed to lose weight for the first time by 'breaking up' with food. In the past I could take or leave chocolate and most cake, I ate probably ten bags of crisps per year, I never enjoyed fast food. My typical Sunday would be sourdough bread toasted, eggs and hot sauce, lunch would be an avocado wrap, snacks would be olives, dinner would be a roast dinner.
I now try to see food as fuel and choose foods that will fill me up but not use up much of my tiny calorie allowance. Taste rarely comes into it. I don't go until local businesses and browse the shelves for inspiration. I don't read recipe books. I don't (even when I could) travel to food markets and street food stalls. I feel like I've had to give up a side of myself, and a hobby, but I now fit into size 12 jeans. Sometimes I wonder if it's worth it.

Anyone managed to combine a love of food with losing weight or maintaining a healthy weight? Please tell me how!

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SeeooelllaaaCola · 24/01/2021 23:40

@Covidasaurus I do feel happier being smaller. I like the way my clothes fit. I like being comfortable, not feeling my belly bulge and my trousers cut in. Not saying this is the case for you.
I think I'm just feeling a bit down about getting back to it tomorrow. I didn't have a proper blow out today but ate
1X Bourbon biscuit
2x Scrambled eggs and half an avo
1x cinnamon bun
1x spag Bol (small plate, no cheese)
1 g&t slim line
It's a normal amount of food I think. But it felt like a lot. And I really enjoyed it. Not sure if it's more important than feeling good in jeans.

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 24/01/2021 23:56

Honestly, I think you are just not in a good place moodwise. Just look at the posts. First you are seeing food as fuel, taste doesn't come into it. You can absolutely enjoy tasty food on a diet or when just eating normally. My food has now extra flavour since I am losing weight because taht makes me happy and satisfies me. If I were misearble eating something eithout proper flavour, I would just lose the will to live. If anything, I am now more in interesting food shops as well.
Healthy "swaps" don't have to taste shit. I am not sure which swaps you meant there.
Your colleague probably, most likely actually, doesn't eat as much as you think.
Then you say you are never really hungry, in another post you talk about being hungry a lot.
You keep mention fitting into size 12 jeans.

It just feels like you could really benefit from looking at all this, the contradicting moods (hungry or not hungry, enjoying the food or not) and see what's happening there.

Unless I misread

Sweet666 · 25/01/2021 00:27

If that's the amount of calories you eat every day and you're overweight then you should go to the doctor you could have a thyroid problem

GrumpyHoonMain · 25/01/2021 00:46

[quote SeeooelllaaaCola]@SchrodingersImmigrant I think that's it. I'm watching this Tom Kerridge program and it's making me angry as I think it would be very easy to think that you could eat lamb bhuna, homemade crumble, overnight oats and chicken thighs every day and lose weight. People aren't going to look at the portion sizes, they're going to pile it on the Plate and maybe have seconds as it's 'healthy innit.' The only people who will lose weight this way will be those swapping from a 3,000 calorie a day diet.[/quote]
Yes you can have those things but understand that if you want them you shouldn’t really follow a celeb chef’s recipes but learn about the dishes and make your own.

I’m Indian and I always make home made curry, roti or rice (never both), dal at home. Most Indian food is so healthy to make at home as long as you follow homestyle recipes that are intended for Indians. The ones aimed at UK and US audiences usually substitute the lack of spice and full flavour with extra calories to make it taste palatable. For example there is never a need to use coconut milk in authentic gujarati or punjabi dishes - low fat live yoghurt is used at home but as it’s harder to work with recipes recommend coconut milk and cream.

I also hate eating before 12-1 as I find I have more energy with just coffee in the mornings (and I like my lay ins) but I might have a small portion of overnight oats at 12pm and then one or two small chicken thighs / piece of fish / a block of tofu poached / stewed with lots of vegetables for a proper lunch around 3ish.

Dinner is usually something Indian but the heavier it is the lighter my lunch will be. I also never eat after 7pm.

I do like my biscuits and will sometimes eat far too many. But I track them and build them into my overall intake. So if I eat 4 chocolate digestives one day I won’t have them the next day so it balances out. Today I had them plus chocolate but it’s okay as tomorrow’s dinner is planned and I know I’ll be eating much healthier.

On top of everything I walk regularly and far. I don’t believe the hype of 10k steps per day - I do all of mine in one go (or two goes) per day moving as fast as I can. I have a smart watch that monitors my speed.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that weight loss and weight maintenance is a lifestyle choice and it’s over more than just the day / moment. You can make the wrong choices one day, but as long as you track them honestly, you can make up for it the next.

GrumpyHoonMain · 25/01/2021 00:54

[quote SeeooelllaaaCola]@Covidasaurus I do feel happier being smaller. I like the way my clothes fit. I like being comfortable, not feeling my belly bulge and my trousers cut in. Not saying this is the case for you.
I think I'm just feeling a bit down about getting back to it tomorrow. I didn't have a proper blow out today but ate
1X Bourbon biscuit
2x Scrambled eggs and half an avo
1x cinnamon bun
1x spag Bol (small plate, no cheese)
1 g&t slim line
It's a normal amount of food I think. But it felt like a lot. And I really enjoyed it. Not sure if it's more important than feeling good in jeans.[/quote]
How many calories was it though?

1 bourbon - can have 40-80 cals
2 x scrambled eggs made in butter and milk is 500 cals at least. Add on half an avocado and you can add on an extra 180 cals
1 cinnamon bun - anywhere between 200-400 cals
Spag bol - easily 500 cals (or more) for a small plate

So before the gin you ate 1600 cals minimum. I’m sure it’s more than that as fats, meats and carbs can add up if you don’t weigh them. It’s not bad even if you went up to 2,000 calories but that’s just one day. What do you eat across the whole week? If you’re over 5 ft 6 and still overweight you’re definitely eating more than what your body needs across the week - if you cut 500 cals across the week (so basically just cut that bourbon out if it’s a daily treat) you’d start losing

rosetylersbiggun · 25/01/2021 00:56

I think worrying about what others do or do not eat, and needing validation that slim women only stay slim by starving, is an unhealthy mindset honestly.

All women are different: our heights, our body frames, bust size, our metabolism, our past histories of illness or pregnancy, our gut biome, our unique emotional and psychological factors. The worst thing is to beat yourself up or look for excuses or reasons why your body doesn't look like another woman's body.

I will say that everything I've ever read or learned about weight and nutrition suggests that it's vastly harder to lose weight than to stay slim if you've always been slim. That's why something like 97% of all diets fail in the long run, and why the much vaunted "willpower" isn't a good tactic. The body holds on to fat, and once a fat cell has been created it can't be destroyed (only shrink) except via surgery or liposuction. So please don't compare yourself to women who might never have been larger.

I've been what most people would consider pretty thin my whole life (without consciously ever dieting or restricting calories), and IMO it's a combination of having a small skeletal frame, being flat-chested, never having been pregnant, metabolism, probably gut biome too, and then dietary factors. I don't have a massive sweet tooth or drink all that much, and eat mostly vegan, but do eat pasta, pizza, chips, potatoes, bread, etc. every day.

See I've always had this theory. I'm never really hungry and never really full. Most fat people I know are the same. Whilst the slim people I know get really hungry (hangry) and then get full and finish eating before their plate is empty.

I agree with this, or certainly it's true for me. I'm not sure if it's metabolism - maybe it's that thinner people are more in tune with their appetites/don't eat before they get hungry, and are also used to eating smaller amounts? I often find myself having to eat more frequent smaller meals, because I get stomach pains if I eat very much (volume-wise, not calorie-wise) in one go. I think your body just gets used to a certain amount.

On the other hand, there's a difference between being a foodie, and being emotionally dependent on food. I definitely consider myself a massive foodie in the sense that I love food and cooking and love discovering new foods and new restaurants. But I can also easily forget to eat if I'm working or focused on something. On the other hand I've gained a bit of weight during lockdown and am conscious that I've turned to food and junk since I can't do any of the things that normally bring me comfort and joy.

I'm not trying to give advice or anything because I'm not qualified, but some of the comments you've made - about feeling guilt and shame over food, but also feeling that you have no pleasure in life comparable to eating, and that you use food as a reward - well, it maybe suggests there's an 'emotional eating' aspect going on, and maybe a chat with a therapist might be useful? Rather than just dieting.

And please don't beat yourself up. It sounds like you have a really healthy diet which is the most important thing, and a size 12 is definitely slim. Unless your weight is causing health problems, it might be good to really address why you want to lose weight and what losing weight would mean to you.

hopsalong · 25/01/2021 01:12

It is possible, but I'm not sure if it's possible for someone who isn't naturally thin. Some people (like my DH, who is boiling hot all night if we eat a big meal, as if his body HAS to burn it all up straight away) just have super-fast metabolisms. Mine isn't like that, but I can definitely eat more than 2000 calories a day, do no exercise, and stay an 8-10. I think you have to look for ways to keep your metabolism going if it tends to the slower side. Maybe not huge amounts of exercise at once, but lots of short walks, trying to stand where possible and not overheating the house.

PurpleDaisies · 25/01/2021 08:18

2 x scrambled eggs made in butter and milk is 500 cals at least. Add on half an avocado and you can add on an extra 180 cals

Those are probably double what the actual calories are for scrambled egg and avocado.

Crowsaregreat · 25/01/2021 08:28

This plus how on earth do you do it while feeding fussy kids!?

SeeooelllaaaCola · 25/01/2021 08:31

@Crowsaregreat mine aren't fussy, they love food. That said, they are partial to a McDonald's on holiday too Grin

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luxxlisbon · 25/01/2021 08:33

I feel like someone has taken the blindfold off. Yes you'll be hungry, sometimes you'll feel angry at the sight of a bakery window, but don't worry you'll be slim!

This really isn't the case for most people. If you have maintained a slim weight then the majority of people aren't crying or feeling angry when they walk past a bakery.

It sounds like your entire attitude to food needs to change.

YeOldeTrout · 25/01/2021 08:34

I don't understand what "a foodie" is supposed to be.

I'm consistently not overweight.

I think I love my food, but I can't eat if I'm not hungry. I can't even enjoy food if I'm not hungry. Does that mean that "foodies" enjoy eating when not even hungry? Is that it means to be a foodie?

fishonabicycle · 25/01/2021 08:38

What purple daisy said! Eggs are about 70-80 Cal's each and a half medium sized avocado is around 120 Cals.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 25/01/2021 08:40

@luxxlisbon

I feel like someone has taken the blindfold off. Yes you'll be hungry, sometimes you'll feel angry at the sight of a bakery window, but don't worry you'll be slim!

This really isn't the case for most people. If you have maintained a slim weight then the majority of people aren't crying or feeling angry when they walk past a bakery.

It sounds like your entire attitude to food needs to change.

I agree. It's the mindset of deprivation, anger, I dare say envy and unhappiness which it absolutely doesn't have to be. That's just not nice place to be
dancingbymyself · 25/01/2021 08:41

The thing is, I think it's about perception.

If you've tended to eat on the higher side of calories, it will feel like deprivation to cut back.

However, 'naturally' slim people have been proven to naturally have more controlled eating habits - eating less the following day if they have a big meal the day before, only eating when hungry - so they won't be feeling deprived.

In theory I eat the same as my boyfriend (although I have smaller portions), but I have gained weight whilst he has stayed the same. The difference is he's always standing, never sits. Sometimes he gets engrossed in his work and skips lunch, maybe once a week. I exercise every day but some of it is low impact like yoga, whereas he goes for a run every morning. These things make a difference.

In winter I tend to eat much more (and put on half a stone without fail). My appetite gets greedy.

In spring/summer, I find it much easier to get back to good habits, I tend to eat 1000-1200 calories, and am always amazed that my appetite adjusts.

I also enjoy the lighter eating months much more - really light, fresh meals; lots of lemon and mint and fresh tomato. In winter I think I want stodgy carbs like cinnamon buns, but they make me feel really low. But I get addicted etc etc and resent the idea that I can't have them. When I'm being 'good', I don't miss them at all.

And I can understand that you feel dismissed when people try and give you advice, but I think there are so many different approaches. Low carb is by far the best for me. Fasting better for others. Calorie counting for someone else etc etc.

And there really are some excellent nutritionists out there. My sister used one for her IBS and it's transformed her. Like everything, it's just doing your research and finding someone who is recommended.

Perfect28 · 25/01/2021 08:42

You say about cooking in butter.. I do! Or if more appropriate a good glug of olive oil. I eat quite a high fat diet which actually makes you fuller. Go for it. The fattier it is the less you want or need to eat. Balance with some acid though!

stodgystollen · 25/01/2021 08:45

I love food and live in France. I'm slightly over my target weight after Christmas but not by much. The key is not to eat much. Portions here are very small with only a bit of baguette as carbs, so then you can have a three course meal for lunch. But after that you don't snack, you have a small bowl of soup for tea with a small amount of bread and possibly don't have breakfast. Your Saturday food is 3 full treat meals plus snacks. No wonder you put on weight. And how can you claim to appreciate them? If you eat that much rich luxurious food, you're not really thinking about it. You'll still be able to taste the previous one when you start the next one!

PurpleDaisies · 25/01/2021 08:51

Your Saturday food is 3 full treat meals plus snacks

Scrambled eggs and avocado is a standard breakfast.
Spaghetti bol isn’t a treat meal, especially as a small plate (assuming that means measured pasta).

What’s the third meal?

That day doesn’t look like a blow out at all to me. It could be healthier with more veg and less sugar but it’s not exactly a disaster.

Flippyferloppy · 25/01/2021 08:52

[quote SeeooelllaaaCola]@FatCatThinCat if weight watchers is so good how come people are members for decades?[/quote]
Once you reach your target weight, you become a life member. It's useful if you need a little help staying on track.
I lost 20kg with WW and have been around the same weight for 6 years now. Everyone I know who did it properly lost weight.
My mother has been going for years and hasn't lost anything, because she cheats all the time.
I know I'll have a lifelong battle with my weight (mother morbidly obese, grandmother morbidly obese), but WW has really taught me how to deal with it

doadeer · 25/01/2021 08:55

Yes I think it's possible though a lot seems very individual.

We make a lot of recipes that are things like stirfries, noodle soups or fish with veg, spiced chicken with veg. Usually dinner is under 500 calories. I'm using gousto recipes at the moment for a phase and I pick the low calorie options mostly. For lunch I have homemade soup. I'm not very hungry in morning but I might have oat cake with avocado. I don't snack a lot. At the weekends we might have something more unhealthy with lots of butter but it's not every meal.

I used tons of spices so food has lots of flavour but it's relatively lean.

Flippyferloppy · 25/01/2021 08:55

[quote SeeooelllaaaCola]@Covidasaurus I do feel happier being smaller. I like the way my clothes fit. I like being comfortable, not feeling my belly bulge and my trousers cut in. Not saying this is the case for you.
I think I'm just feeling a bit down about getting back to it tomorrow. I didn't have a proper blow out today but ate
1X Bourbon biscuit
2x Scrambled eggs and half an avo
1x cinnamon bun
1x spag Bol (small plate, no cheese)
1 g&t slim line
It's a normal amount of food I think. But it felt like a lot. And I really enjoyed it. Not sure if it's more important than feeling good in jeans.[/quote]
Have you tried reducing your carbs? Both of the menus you gave were pretty carb-heavy and your blood sugar may be yo-yoing as a result, making you want to eat. It helped me a lot to have this pointed out to me

prawncocktailpringles · 25/01/2021 08:56

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but I recommend Tom Kerridge's book, Lose Weight for Good.

user1471523870 · 25/01/2021 09:10

I am slim and consider myself a foodie. I like sourcing new ingredients, I enjoy a vast range of cuisines and food, I cook a lot, I enjoy cooking books and cooking programs, when I travel I bring back cooking books from other countries, as well as unusual ingredients etc
However, I never had to battle with weight as I am kind of naturally slim. It might be because I move a lot and exercise regularly or it might be genes.
However, I reflected a little about what works in keeping weight off and enjoy delicious food and I believe it's down to portions mainly. I do eat with butter and extra virgin olive oil, I don't do low fat or low sugar (which I believe not to be healthy as they normally supplement with more of the bad stuff to make it palatable) BUT I eat probably what you consider a child size. There are exceptions if I am super hungry or if I am out and it's super good, but in general eating too much make me feel unwell as I am used to smaller portions of delicious food.
Saying that, I don't do it because I want to or I need to, it's just the way I have always been so probably not helpful!

stodgystollen · 25/01/2021 09:22

Ah sorry, I was looking at the OP, which was actually for a Sunday.

My typical Sunday would be sourdough bread toasted, eggs and hot sauce, lunch would be an avocado wrap, snacks would be olives, dinner would be a roast dinner.

No one needs a large cooked breakfast followed by a high calorie wrap. Spicy eggs would be fine for a main course, especially if it's eggs rather than an egg, maybe with some extra vegetables. Again, the contents of the wrap would probably look like a main course if they were arranged on a plate with salad to eat with a knife and fork. A wrap makes them too easy to eat so you don't notice how much you've had. And all of that in the knowledge that the evening meal will probably be quite substantial. So yes, for me that is nearly three days of food. I would make them up to 3 days of food by adding a small bowl of soup (mug sized small) or yoghurt with fruit for breakfasts and suppers and some extra bread.

stodgystollen · 25/01/2021 09:26

And if bolognese isn't a treat meal, you're not cooking it right Wink It should be a small dollop of really intense flavour with lovely high calorie things like wine, salt, pork and cheese! Not watery vegetable tomato slop.

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