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To think the disgrace that is Carers' Allowance should be a national scandal

263 replies

FoxyTheFox · 06/12/2020 10:29

Carers' Allowance is paid to someone over the age of 16 who provides a minimum of 35hrs p/wk of care to a disabled person who is in receipt of a qualifying benefit.

The current weekly rate of Carers' Allowance is £67.25 p/wk, taken over 35hr this is the equivalent of £1.92 an hour. Over 24hrs, seven a days a week - the reality for many carers - it is only 39p an hour.

You can only claim Carers' Allowance once, meaning if you care for multiple people - e.g., if you have two disabled children - you still only get £67.25 a week.

There is an earnings cap of £128, so working just 15hrs a week at minimum wage is enough to stop your Carers' Allowance.

Carers' Allowance is a taxable benefit so can reduce the amount of other benefits you claim, it can also reduce the amount of benefits claimed by the person you care for. Unlike other state benefits, Carers' Allowance does not entitle you to free prescriptions or help with other healthcare costs such as dentistry or eye tests. Caring has a detrimental effect on physical and mental health but there are no specific support services for carers other than those set up by external agencies (e.g., Carers UK).

When you reach state pension age you are no longer allowed to claim Carers' Allowance even if you are still providing care.

These carers save the government an estimated £132bn each year in health and social care costs - enough to fund a second NHS. If these carers were to suddenly decide to step back and no longer provide the care needed, the social care system would collapse.

Universal Credit was temporarily increased by £20 a week to support people during the increased financial difficulties associated with the pandemic. No such increase was extended to carers in the majority of the UK, however Scotland offered a one off additional payment to carers to recognise the additional work and additional costs borne by them during the pandemic.

I've written to my MP, who does not give a shit and sent me a generic reply about how caring is hard and the government is grateful to those who care but did not actually address any of my questions or my request that he raise the issue in Parliament.

novaramedia.com/2020/11/16/the-government-has-abandoned-carers-during-covid-19-now-its-being-taken-to-court/?fbclid=IwAR2Fs10I04h0fUNMRtDTYf0hs_ieA63dVeb5Hux8Os4IQttTBD95eGemCRA

www.carersuk.org/news-and-campaigns/news/research-the-forgotten-families-in-lockdown-unpaid-carers-close-to-burnout-during-covid-19-crisis

OP posts:
Pumkinseed · 07/12/2020 07:47

I claimed carers allowance sending in copies of his DLA and school care plan. I was asked if I had any more evidence.

seriously? CA is a gateway benefit. the disabled person's DLA qualifies you. That is all what is required.

Mumofsend · 07/12/2020 07:50

@caringcarer you don't need and would never be asked for more evidence than the qualifying persons dla/pip letter for carers allowance

x2boys · 07/12/2020 08:12

That's very odd @Caringcarer ,I found carers allowance very easy to claim ,I just needed to send proof of my son's DLA award,also do the LEA not provide transport to your son's special school?

Sockwomble · 07/12/2020 08:32

Perhaps the LEA won't agree that it is the nearest suitable school or are not providing suitable transport, both of which can be challenged but that can be difficult. I've done lots of transporting because of no driver, escort or vehicle being available.

MillieEpple · 07/12/2020 08:37

I drive because my son is too anxious to go in the taxi as drivers change a lot and they break speed limits.

NettleTea · 07/12/2020 08:51

Its an average of 35 hours, so yes, you are right - there are weeks where you may not quite hit the 35 hours. But there are other weeks, like when you child is hospitalised for 8 weeks and refuses to be left alone or do any meds or proceedures if you are not there to act as a buffer between the medics and the child (including having to be the one who goes into theatre and holds the gas mask that knocks her out) where you have to sleep on a mat on the hospital room floor and bring your other child with you too as you are a single parenty and he too has ASD so cant be left with anyone else, where you are on high alert on call service for 24/7

Carers allowance often is removed from you from if your child is in hospital, but due to my daughters specific combinations of needs, we have been allowed to keep it as she always needs me to stay with her.

Sirzy · 07/12/2020 08:55

@TikTokFinger

I don’t think anyone should receive a careers allowance for caring for their own child.
I thought of this comment this morning.

So far this morning amongst all the normal getting ready for school stuff (although when you have to dress an 11 year old then even that isn’t normal in the normal sense of it) I have done

  • physio/ot session for muscles (20 mins)
  • respiratory physio (20 mins)
  • medication
  • tube feed
  • changed water in the tube
  • set up feed ready for school today

Now he is in school I am going to have a quick coffee and then try to chase up an urgent test he was listed for in February this year.

SerendipityJane · 07/12/2020 10:31

TikTok has fucked off.

elliejjtiny · 07/12/2020 11:19

I like the idea that a pp suggested about carers allowance being given to the disabled person who can then give it to the carer. Anyone who "does a bit of shopping" for someone and gets carers allowance will be doing it for someone who needs at least 35 hours of care a week. So if they really are "just doing a bit of shopping" then someone else is doing the caring, probably someone who isn't entitled to claim carers allowance. It would also mean that people caring for several disabled people could claim more than one lot of carers allowance

I think a lot of people downplay the amount of caring they do. Either they have forgotten what "normal" is, their situation is too depressing to think about, they are respecting the cared for person's privacy or they are just trying to be positive. I also think that child tax credit (with the added disability element) should continue to be paid to parents whose disabled children are now adults but still living at home and being cared for.

For me personally I am happy to do the caring I do (although the constant wet bedding drives me mad sometimes) but I need proper support, being treated with respect by the dwp and not to live in fear that we will have our small amount of money taken away. I would like to be able to speak positively about my child's achievements without worrying that they will lose their dla. I would like to be able to say that sometimes this is hard without being criticised by adults who have the same condition as my child.

Lemononachair · 07/12/2020 11:31

I really can't understand why Carers allowance isn't at least NMW or the same as UC levels. The government have decided that UC levels are set as such because that's the minimum a person needs to live on, why is that different for carers? It doesn't make sense.

They should also remove the cap on earnings so that if a carer can work and needs to top up with their earnings they are able to without losing their CA.

Also should definitely continue paying the 'disabled child' element once a child turns 18 if they have a life long condition and will need care.

Sockwomble · 07/12/2020 11:34

"I like the idea that a pp suggested about carers allowance being given to the disabled person who can then give it to the carer"

If that happened some people with disabilities would be targeted by others for the carers allowance in the same way that they target them to "borrow" money.

elliejjtiny · 07/12/2020 11:48

@Sockwomble I didn't think of that. It seemed like such a good idea too.

I've just been called by the school to pick up my 7 year old so my 6 hours a day that I supposedly get to do endless laundry, sorting out appointments, housework, paperwork etc has gone down the toilet for the third time in a week.

SerendipityJane · 07/12/2020 12:12

@Sockwomble

"I like the idea that a pp suggested about carers allowance being given to the disabled person who can then give it to the carer"

If that happened some people with disabilities would be targeted by others for the carers allowance in the same way that they target them to "borrow" money.

I've never subscribed to the idea that you don't give to Peter because of something Paul might do. It's always struck me as a little low quality thinking.
Sirzy · 07/12/2020 12:44

@Sockwomble

"I like the idea that a pp suggested about carers allowance being given to the disabled person who can then give it to the carer"

If that happened some people with disabilities would be targeted by others for the carers allowance in the same way that they target them to "borrow" money.

I agree, and for some people who are disabled that level of responsibility may be too much for them to deal with.

Having someone registered as the carer for that person, or even if it was a half decent amount allowing two people to share the role/money with the money going straight to them is much better

lyralalala · 07/12/2020 13:25

Carers allowance not being given direct, and instead being like a direct payments idea, would cause problems for the carer in terms of national insurance contributions and their own other benefits (if they get them).

Plus if you pay someone to do the same job day, or week, in day out then you are their employer. There would have to be an exemption to the minimum wage requirement or the disabled person would be breaking the law.

If they were employed they’d be entitled to holiday pay, SSP when ill, notice etc. It would have to be a massive hike in the cost to cover that.

Ivybutterfly · 07/12/2020 13:45

The thought of the disabled person paying their career the pittance from the government is offensive and stupid. If you are a carer you live a life of austerity and endless work. Anyone begrudging a carer anything needs to have a think about how privileged their life is since they obviously are not a carer. They should also try and have more compassion, understanding and empathy. Honestly....

providentglue · 07/12/2020 14:21

I like the idea that a pp suggested about carers allowance being given to the disabled person who can then give it to the carer"

Many carers deal with the financial aspect of the people they care for. This approach would only serve to complicate matters.

ConcernedAboutMyFriend · 07/12/2020 16:09

I haven't read the full thread yet, though I will. I started a related thread in AIBU in early November, after my friend had her Carer's Allowance stopped as a result of DWP refusing PIP and stopping DLA for her severely disabled child.

When a disabled child already in receipt of DLA turns 16, an application must be made for PIP, with DLA continuing to be paid during the application process until a final decision about PIP is made. In a nutshell, the confidential, deeply emotive and highly sensitive PIP application form my already-stretched friend had spent hours completing, together with supporting similar documentation, had been lost - possibly in the post but, after reading of others' experiences, most likely by DWP. Instead of simply sending out another form to complete, DWP sent a letter refusing PIP, stopping the existing DLA and even telling her the car was instantaneously no longer taxed, having taken away the disabled class exemption. A letter from the 'Carers Unit' soon followed of course, stating that she was no longer entitled to her Carer's Allowance. Knock on effects followed with Child Tax Credits, Housing Benefit, NHS prescriptions and dental care and National Insurance credits impacting on later basic pension entitlement. My friend had had to give up her career to care devotedly and around the clock for her severely disabled child. These are therefore the safety net on which they have to depend and they were taken away with one heartless press of a DWP computer key. Life, or what was left of it, already difficult beyond the experience and comprehension of most people, started collapsing down on them like a house of cards; like a domino topple.

Caring, for someone in my friend's situation at least, is exhausting, relentless, heartbreaking, all-consuming. She has had to give up everything and after many years of round the clock sole care she is understandably severely sleep deprived and her health - physical and no doubt mental - has suffered. People bandy around terms like respite and support but this is not always available, helpful or appropriate in reality. The daily and nightly round of feeding, washing, changing, nappies, emotions, equipment, education, lifting, appointments, entertaining, wiping noses and tears, safety, responsibility and worry for the future is all down to her. The coronavirus pandemic has added a new layer of isolation, costs, work and concern. Not being on the government's very limited list of the 'extremely clinically vulnerable' for additional help, she has been left to cope with shielding her child since March completely alone.

Let us not forget then, The Loneliness of the Long Distance Carer.

There is joy, still, in her life with her precious child and love and responsibility have kept her going all these years. It would be naive though to think that the link with life has not been made tenuous and that, on top of everything else and already living in a largely uncaring and discriminatory society, the actions of DWP may well have been the straw that ultimately breaks the camel's back.

They have been left in this dire situation for about two months. With a severely disabled child, who was in receipt of DLA at the highest rate for both personal care and mobility needs, entitlement to PIP and Carers Allowance should not be in any doubt. This situation would either indicate that DWP is not fit for purpose or that there is a significant toxic and uncaring culture within it against disabled people and their carers.

Carers Allowance is meagre and paltry. My friend cares 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for a few pence an hour until that was taken away. Can you imagine what it was like to be told she wasn't even deserving of that - and after two hours sleep?

I don't think it is a coincidence that it is the work of a woman and mother that is not being properly recognised and valued, supported and protected.

'The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members.'

x2boys · 07/12/2020 16:17

Yes I remember your thread about your friend @ConcernedAboutMyFriend ,has it been resolved yet ,yes the changeover should be seemless and not in doubt when someone has such severe disabilities , unfortunately all to often it isn't Sad

Ivybutterfly · 07/12/2020 16:35

There is minuscule support for carers. These people give up their entire lives and then some people even have the audacity and heartlessness to judge them. The vast majority of carers are unpaid.

TinaTurnercorner · 07/12/2020 21:10

Shameful that this thread was on page 3 and not on page 1 where it SHOULD be! Some people just don't care (no pun intended) about disabled or their carers, it doesn't affexct them so we can all sod off.

The worst thing is when they accuse disabled and carers odf being a drain on society and benefit cheats.

we save the bloody Gov BILLIONS a year.
Thing is, Gov have us over a barrel. They KNOW we wont/cant just walk away.

Mind you, as pitiful as our ''allowance'' is, in many countries they don't give ANYTHING to either disabled OR carers, so I guess its better than nothing.

and this below:
There is minuscule support for carers. These people give up their entire lives and then some people even have the audacity and heartlessness to judge them.

TinaTurnercorner · 07/12/2020 21:12

People bandy around terms like respite and support but this is not always available, helpful or appropriate in reality.

And this ^^ and about every other post here

BoobsOnTheMoon · 07/12/2020 21:28

The "support" I get is a zoom call every couple of months with a disability social worker who tells me I'm doing a great job and occasionally comes up with a 'helpful' suggestion like why don't I take DS to a disability sports club one Sunday a month 50 miles away for 45 minutes. Apparently the 45 minutes I could spend sitting in my car outside the venue would count as respite Hmm

Mumofsend · 07/12/2020 21:31

Talking of support we literally got our allocation for Christmas holiday support group for my DC this evening. We've got one 3 hour session the entire 3 weeks. We don't qualify for respite and I'm on my own with them. The same children between them need 3 members of staff at preschool/nursery.

Looks like a very isolated lonely Christmas for us..

Mumofsend · 07/12/2020 21:34

I pay for the support group too. £10 per child with disability. Yet if only one child had a disability their sibling could attend free 🤔