To find these covid snitching threads terrifying

[CrotchBurn]

Student house party. 75% voted for OP to call police.

Really?

I think this thread is chilling proof at how far we've fallen in a society within such a small amount of time. Less than a year with constant media brainwashing, all of us essentially under house arrest, and look at us. Clearing out supermarkets and calling the police because "it's the right thing to do" and "they're putting society at risk".

Who else would you have turned in?

At what other point in history would you have colluded with the government to "do the right thing", without any thought for your fellow humans just being people?

They are students. They are broke, they have been confined to their box rooms almost a whole year. Have some heart for christs sake.

And by the way, I do believe in covid. I believe in staying home and wearing masks and doing the right thing. I would never grass though. Ever. And that goes for covid antics, benefit fraud, whatever. I believe people sometimes do what they need to do to survive physically or emotionally.

I think its terrifying what society has become in less than a year.

Who would have thought we would be living on a world where you would be standing in a little yellow circle traced out on a supermarket floor, and not an inch over if you please, else you'll be reported as a health threat!

Is this our world now? In which young lonely people are turned in and fined for spending time together?

I'm not advocating for student parties, I'm advocating for looking away when you see one.

[Wellhellyeah]

I'm sure OP would be thrilled should people not report the burglar they see in her home or act as a witness should she be violently assaulted cos a) grassing b) it's colluding with the government and the police c) it'd be ok if there was an excuse. People like the OP make me sick. They'd be the first on the phone to the police if they were personally affected by anything but they couldn't give a shot about protecting anyone else.

[Womencanlift]

[quote CrotchBurn]@AlternativePerspective
Yes. I hadn't thought of that re shifting boundaries. That's a good point. It's interesting to know where people draw their own lines though. I wonder how we arrive at those conclusions for ourselves. I'm going to ask my immediate family whether they would report or not and see whether there's a pattern within a family. Personally my family has never been in a context where reporting something would crop up as a quandry I dont think, so if we all have a similar stance on it i would be interested to know what it is that shapes views on reporting vs not reporting[/quote]
People will arrive at their own conclusions depending on their own values and personal experience. This is why there are so many different views on threads like this and others.

If you have had personal experience of being abused then you may be more likely to report the mum next door smacking her kids or the husband being aggressive as you will relate that to your own experience.

In this if you have kids who are students then you may be less likely to report as you are comparing those students to your own and thinking well they are only young once.

Before people jump on I am well aware I am making generic comments and every person will be different which is why I have said likely.

All I am saying is you will always get wide ranging views on topics like this as everyone’s moral compass is different

[JacobReesMogadishu]

There was a party in our village last week and it was reported. Yes, the police came. The party throwers were soon on fb screaming "snitches get stitches" and other insults and threats.

Which said a lot about them and the sort of people they are.

[Covidorcold]

@CrotchBurn seriously? I mean I get not reporting things like that for fear of reprisal - but no other reason.

[sst1234]

The sheep cannot think for themselves and see that they are terrified of an infection with less than 1% death rate. And the people most likely to die are under the strictest lockdown anyway.

[Mamamia456]

What is going on? On another thread we had someone saying they were so ashamed to be British that when going to a museum or attraction they asked for the headphones commentry to be in French, now we've got people comparing lockdown to Nazi Germany.

We're all going mad!

[user1487194234]

Totally agree OP
The pandemic has brought out the worst in some people

[PhilCornwall1]

I rarely trust anyone, so none of this shit surprises me at all.

[Flapjak]

I agree OP, the 16- 21 year olds have been the hardest hit, and will experience the biggest future losses to education, jobs, taxes etc. If students want to party and break the rules, i dont think we need to condone it but it is totally understandable that this age group will do this, so i dont think we should be reporting. 9 months is a long time in the life of a teenager

[Covidorcold]

@sst1234 firstly I believe the death rate is more like 3%.
Secondly it’s not just about deaths from covid. The more people in hospital with covid - the less space there is for anyone else with say, seasonal flu, pneumonia, etc
Also the longer the infection rate stays high, the longer we are locked down

[LastGoldenDaysOfSummer]

@Mamamia456

What is going on? On another thread we had someone saying they were so ashamed to be British that when going to a museum or attraction they asked for the headphones commentry to be in French, now we've got people comparing lockdown to Nazi Germany.

We're all going mad!

Only the very stupid make that comparison. No point in arguing with the deeply dim.

[MrsKingfisher]

Covid really has brought out the meanness in some people, maybe they could be naturally selected and we'll be left with a world of people who feel that kindness to others isn't by calling the police because they aren't understaffed and busy at all. and showing a bit of community spirit. Kindness doesn't kill people but some really struggle to show some.

The fallout from all of this on people's mental well-being is huge, be sensible, be careful take the necessary precautions but remember not everyone is rowing in the same boat.

[Balhammom]

I should also say that the kind of people who compare this with the SS or Stasi are (I) phenomenally ignorant and/or (ii) genuinely repugnant.

If you can’t understand the difference between indiscriminate torture of those who haven’t harmed others, and legitimate legal process against those who act unlawfully, immorally and pose a genuine threat to others’ health and wellbeing, you are - at best - severely lacking intelligence.

[maddening]

Snitching and grassing - are you a teenager or low level drug dealer?

And what is the impact of reporting? Those reported will not be killed, put in to concentration camps or sent to hard labour, include some perspective to your argument. The party will be dispersed and they may get a £50 fine. Far less than working people will be losing in earnings through lockdown, the severity and length of which is based on transmission, hospitalisation and death rates in the community they live in.

Like others say, most would not report unless it was such a large gathering like the example in the op.

[CherryPavlova]

I’m with you but then I see a corrupt neo-fascist government encouraging the population to hate various groups. Hatred hides government failings and drives a sense of ‘them and us’.

It certainly has form as a successful method of gaining support for very unpopular and unethical political activities. Sadly people didn’t realise the extent to which they were being manipulated in 1933.

Currently encouragement to be angry and ‘report’ people for minor infringements makes people think it’s the rule breakers who are to blame rather than a feckless and corrupt government that condones, and even respects, a bullying culture.

It’s rather worrying where it will lead as we reap the undoubted joys and benefits of Brexit from January. We are all whooping with excitement about finally enacting ‘out means out’ aren’t we? The government must be laughing to the Commons bars that C19 appeared to deflect the misery ahead and offer some other focus to ‘angry person of Southend or Margate’.

[ArranBound]

To the person who compared people being correctly concerned to Nazis, you are sick.

[Amazinggrace44]

I'm no curtain twitcher but I would 100% report a student party. These are high risk people who will likely be going home for Christmas and potentially spreading covid far and wide. You talk about how society has fallen and I agree but for a different reason. Covid has shown just how selfish and entitled some people are. While many are following the rules, others seem to think they don't apply to them and they can do what they like.
The parallels drawn to Jews and the war are ridiculous. Covid is a major health hazard and too many people simply aren't bothered because they don't believe they're at risk. That's selfish.

[SaskiaRembrandt]

They are students. They are broke, they have been confined to their box rooms almost a whole year. Have some heart for christs sake.

No they haven't. I do wish people would stop spreading this bollocks.

[Covidorcold]

@MrsKingfisher I imagine that potentially that “kindness” isn’t throwing a party of 30 and that the people in danger of “natural selection” are the idiots going to said party.

Ignoring your neighbour having their kids round is one thing. A huge party is quite another and quite frankly enough to really affect the entire community- 30 people going into the supermarkets, on public transport etc in a single town.

[crossstitchingnana]

@AltJ

I agree OP.

Students party, it's normal! It's not like it's March 2020 and Covid is terrifying, it's over 6motnhs on, the death rate is less than 1% (and most of those people are over 70), everyone is sick of lockdown.

I think the people who are happy to call the police in this situation are the same people who would have been calling the police over suspicions a neighbour had a jewish family in the basement in 1940s Germany. Justifying it with 'they're breaking the law' and 'protecting the nation'

Once again "the over 70s" is brushed over in a post talking about those that die I bet, my life, that you don't have anyone of that age that you care about. My parents are in their 80s and although lockdown has had an awful impact on their health they are alive. So, yes I would report a massive party. Not one person popping round or my second home neighbour, dfl, AGAIN.

[KiposWonderbeasts]

I understand @AltJ’s point to mean we’re in a situation now where we’ve developed a ‘surveillance culture’ with citizens expected to act as an arm of the state by reporting on their neighbours.

As a young person (I’m an old fart now) I had friends who had defected with their parents from Communist bloc countries. The fear and paranoia they’d experienced was awful - children reporting on their parents, students reporting on teachers, neighbours settling scores by reporting on one another.

I can see parallels in some behaviours.

[PeggyPorschen]

I'm advocating for looking away when you see one.

many people are like you
They look away when someone is a benefit fraud
they look away when a woman is beaten up
they look away when a child is being abused too

If you would look away every single time, then you are just as bad frankly.

or you only "look away" from the students because you do not agree with the current rules. Fine, but don't be an hypocrite and don't insult others who do not agree with you.

It matters to some people that a party will have consequences on many, just not the student.

You live in a society, there's not such thing as "us" vs "them, the government or whatever".

[LauraBassi]

@SchrodingersImmigrant

So fucking offensive. And reported.

I don't think you realise what that party can do. It will end up with innocent students having to self isolate which is just not good for them mentally. It will end up with an outbreak at the time when students and unies are trying to figure out safe way for students to go for Christmas. So hey. Hope you all will ro "oh well, it's just young people" when they will all have issues getting home.

Stop being an all knowing bunch of cunts and do what you are supposed to do without whining and comparing a ban on fucking parties to a Holocaust!

Reported?

[Tumbleweed101]

I wouldn’t report.

I am sticking to the rules myself and trying to make my restless 20yo (Not a student) understand the wider links of what might happen when she wants to mix. For example, she might not be particularly unwell herself but she could make someone else very poorly, shut down a workplace and mean everyone has to be off unpaid for two weeks and potentially cause the business to go bust. It isn’t the illness that scares me so much as the wider cause and effect of it.