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That the old Disney movies are terrifying!

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Herecomethehotstepper · 27/06/2020 16:15

Dc are 3 and 5 and we've spent a lot of lockdown watching movies on Disney+. They love the newer films like Frozen and Moana but I will occasionally sneak in a classic movie.

The movies I grew up watching seem so scary compared to the modern ones! We watched Pinocchio last night and the creepy man that kidnapped little boys away to pleasure Island 😮 Last week DD had a nightmare after the forest scene in Snow White when all the trees are coming to life. It made me wonder whether we are too soft on kids now or if they were too hard back in the 30's and 40's.

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SimonJT · 27/06/2020 20:11

The scene where dumbo is on drugs terrified me as a child, I didn’t watch any disney until I was at least eight as well.

ShebaShimmyShake · 27/06/2020 20:13

@SimonJT

The scene where dumbo is on drugs terrified me as a child, I didn’t watch any disney until I was at least eight as well.
My God, Pink Elephants on Parade is where someone's drug money went. Has anyone ever had an experience like that just from being pissed???
ShebaShimmyShake · 27/06/2020 20:15

And Heffalumps and Woozles in Winnie the Pooh... I think the Dumbo scene must have inspired that one too.

SorrelForbes · 27/06/2020 20:16

My mother (born in 1940) had to be taken out of the cinema during a screening of Snow White. To this date she still doesn't like watching the stepmother turn into the old woman.

We foster and I remember one very challenging 6 year old girl who struggled to sit through any film. The exception was Pinocchio. She was entranced and totally fascinated by the Pleasure Island scene.

I don't think the recent films can hold a candle to the classics.

Snowdown24 · 27/06/2020 20:17

I knew Pinocchio was going to be mentioned! I love Disney, a lot! Grew up watching it all and was never scared of any of it. However I never watched Pinocchio for some reason. Grew up and had kids and put it on for them one day.....I was terrified!!!! Like actually shocked this was for kids, it scared me and I’m a adult!

Watership down is quite barbaric

s113 · 27/06/2020 20:28

@pigsDOfly Hansel held out a bone in my childhood version of the story, and the witch thought it was his finger because she had bad eyesight. I don't know what he held out in the original story. I also remember being scared of the idea of the stepmother abandoning the children in the woods, because they were too poor to feed them. From then on, I thought that "poor" always meant poor like Hansel and Gretel; I didn't realise that it was relative.

Squirrel134 · 27/06/2020 20:30

@SchrodingersImmigrant and some other posters are right.

This was a way of safeguarding children through shock and awe, but with songs, music and lovely moving illustrations (improving literacy was still a major issue) in his times.

Not all parents, wanted to make their children aware, that the world was a dangerous place. Bad things happened. All that glitters is not good or gold. This is clearly, still the situation, as we seek to protect our children. But telling a child, is not always enough to get the message through.

I think Walt Disney got this, and 'used' the fairytales to visualise and encourage good ethics/morals, good behaviour and show that the world was not always fair. Sometimes you are lucky, sometimes you have to work hard, and it comes to nowt. But, it also shows happiness is not just about money or things, but about how we treat others and appreciate what we do have.

Re. the animals, there is the food chain, and we are at the top of it.
In the old days (70s), we would have seen these films as matinees at the cinema, had other filler shorts. So, maybe, the impact wore off, in the excitement of being out, not truly understanding the implications of death.

I loved going to the cinema to watch Disney as a child, it was true escapism, and I loved a good book. I also lived in a children's home (a good one) till I was 7, and appreciated, that parents aren't always there to save you. They were busy.
Even today, I still love wide-range of fantasy & sci-fi, in addition to the every day crime stuff.

Finally, I have a largely non-verbal autistic DS, who loves the music and stories of most disney films, especially Jungle Book. He learnt to read and sing from these!

To be fair, he is not keen on Fantasia, and he gets bored with Pinochio just before he goes to the island, so I switch it off, or fast forward, I hadn't realised (& forgot) about the scary bits.

Still, we have a practically complete library including various video compilations of Disney songs.

The best way to enjoy Disney, I think.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 27/06/2020 20:32

I don't remember ever being scared of Disney films even as a small child. But Watership Down upset me so much I threw up all over the cinema.

I was pretty young at the time tbf.

ShebaShimmyShake · 27/06/2020 20:39

@MistyGreenAndBlue

I don't remember ever being scared of Disney films even as a small child. But Watership Down upset me so much I threw up all over the cinema. I was pretty young at the time tbf.
I would probably do the same today.
Flappingflamingo · 27/06/2020 20:41

The voodoo scene in Princess and the frog creepy/freaky. Only time I've not liked watching a Disney film

letsgomaths · 27/06/2020 20:41

One thing I was accidentally "traumatised" by (aged 8) was the comic opera Candide. Not meant for children I know, but my parents were obsessed with it, had it on a tape, and regularly played it in the car. Early on, it had this passage, narrated in a silly comic voice, to a background of sad music, describing the aftermath of war:

"The village had already been burned, in accordance with the laws of war. Old men shattered by bullets watched as women died with their throats slit; babies had bleeding breasts. Young girls with their bellies torn out, having satisfied the needs of several war heroes. Others, so badly burned they begged for their lives to be brought to an end." That last sentence came just as the music rose to a dramatic climax. My parents did spare me the knowledge of what "satisfied the needs of war heroes" meant; I worked that out much later.

pigsDOfly · 27/06/2020 20:42

@s113 I had a vague recollection of it being a nail, as in a metal nail, because I remember, on reading that he showed her a nail, wondering why, showing the witch a fingernail would fool her into believing they were too thin to be eaten, but it turned out that it was a metal nail that he'd found in the cage.

I imagine it's been rewritten so many times and in so many versions that it could be half a dozen different things that he showed the witch; pretty dark and nasty whatever it was.

SwelteringInTheHeat · 27/06/2020 20:42

Dumbo- the weird elephant scene always made me scared as a kid.
Not disney, but also effing watership down and the wizard of decking Oz with the flying monkeys!
I do think kids films these days are a lot softer, which isn't a bad thing.

blankethog · 27/06/2020 20:44

Cruella in 101 Dalmatians and the pink elephant scene from dumbo scared the life out of me as a child, didn't stop me from watching them though!
I also remember being particularly upset by the scene in dumbo when the mother sings baby mine to dumbo while she rocks him in his trunk, it always really devastated me and I still can't watch it without crying.

ShebaShimmyShake · 27/06/2020 20:45

@letsgomaths

One thing I was accidentally "traumatised" by (aged 8) was the comic opera Candide. Not meant for children I know, but my parents were obsessed with it, had it on a tape, and regularly played it in the car. Early on, it had this passage, narrated in a silly comic voice, to a background of sad music, describing the aftermath of war:

"The village had already been burned, in accordance with the laws of war. Old men shattered by bullets watched as women died with their throats slit; babies had bleeding breasts. Young girls with their bellies torn out, having satisfied the needs of several war heroes. Others, so badly burned they begged for their lives to be brought to an end." That last sentence came just as the music rose to a dramatic climax. My parents did spare me the knowledge of what "satisfied the needs of war heroes" meant; I worked that out much later.

I've never heard of this opera but it's traumatised me already. Comic, you say??
pigsDOfly · 27/06/2020 20:45

I've never watched Watership Down - I think it was on television recently - because I didn't think I could handle all the sadness and the poor rabbits Sad

ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal · 27/06/2020 20:48

I put peter pan on the other day thinking my children who love pirates would enjoy it. It's not scary but the portrayal of native Americans is off the charts offensive. At one point one of the Darling boys says that they're "cunning but not intelligent". Horrible stereotypes used to portray them. And loads, and loads of casual sexism. As someone mentioned, the mother tiptoeing around the father, Wendy having to have her own room because she's filling the boys heads with girly nonsense and he can't have that. Hook saying he could get Tinkerbell to do what he wanted as you can trick a jealous female into anything. Etc etc.

Id happily see it taken off Disney plus as they did the song of the South.

woodhill · 27/06/2020 20:57

Pelleas

"I saw it at the cinema when I was a child in the early 80s and found it quite frightening - mainly the scene where the step mother transforms herself into a hag."

Was this edited as I was terrified as a child but it was much shorter and less traumatic as a n adult and there was a heart pulsating in a box in the original film by the huntsman?

woodhill · 27/06/2020 20:59

Oh and the magic roundabout film in the early 70s, the evil castle and wicked cat - terrifying

Pelleas · 27/06/2020 21:01

I've never watched it again, woodhill (not deliberately avoiding it, just never happened to) so I don't know if it's been changed - I just remember it as nightmarish at the time and it seemed to go on for ages when I was 8 years old!

ShebaShimmyShake · 27/06/2020 21:02

@ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal

I put peter pan on the other day thinking my children who love pirates would enjoy it. It's not scary but the portrayal of native Americans is off the charts offensive. At one point one of the Darling boys says that they're "cunning but not intelligent". Horrible stereotypes used to portray them. And loads, and loads of casual sexism. As someone mentioned, the mother tiptoeing around the father, Wendy having to have her own room because she's filling the boys heads with girly nonsense and he can't have that. Hook saying he could get Tinkerbell to do what he wanted as you can trick a jealous female into anything. Etc etc.

Id happily see it taken off Disney plus as they did the song of the South.

Yeah, I actually agree. It really is so incredibly offensive ("what makes the red man red" and "squaw get um firewood", my God). It's not even particularly charming or interesting outside of all that. I guess Disney has so much Tinkerbell merchandise that it doesn't want to devalue it by pulling the awful thing. Maybe they should remake Peter Pan so they can keep Tinkerbell but cut out all the racism and give the female characters the Elsa/Anna/Moana treatment. If they're just going to do a load of live action remakes now, seems like a good time.
wanderings · 27/06/2020 21:03

I've mentioned it on another thread, but there was a really scary scene in the BBC serial of the Silver Chair, Narnia, when Jill dreams about Aslan being angry. Her fear and begging for forgiveness is so intensely acted, while Aslan is repeating gravely "you know what happens if you cannot remember the signs, child". I didn't think much of it as a child, but I lost sleep over that scene as an adult. (Disney haven't got around to that one yet, having mauled the other Narnia stories to death!)

wanderings · 27/06/2020 21:04

@ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal The version of Peter Pan that you put on recently; was that the old animated version, or the live-action one from about 2003? I've only watched that one once or twice, I've not seen the original.

TheMandalorian · 27/06/2020 21:06

@waitrosequeue

What about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang child catcher !

Children today would be completely traumatised. Saying that those who saw it as children still remember it.

This terrified me as a child of the 80s.
Sometimeswinning · 27/06/2020 21:06

@EmpressSuiko I still remember to this day the horse being sent to the glue factory.