Bar Staff

[titbumwillypoo]

Just wondering why all the bar staff out there arn't doing more to help out in this lockdown?
There's apparently a pub in the next village doing lock-ins why isn't my local Wetherspoons doing this?
As key workers why are you refusing to do home deliveries of freshly pulled pints? Lots of us are working from home with young children and a nice IPA would go down a treat.
When I emailed my local at 3am i didn't get an immeadiate response, why are ALL the pubs in the country and all staff so lazy?
Why are bar staff so worried about being in a cramped room with a bunch of possible plague carriers, some bloke of the internet said if you breathe the other way you'll be fine. Beer is a human right.
What do scientists know, everybody knows that alcohol kills germs so what are you worrying about.
A pub up a mountain in Denmark never shut during this "pandemic" why don't you be more like them.
Finally you've had 8 weeks to plan re-opening with virtually no guidance and conflicting advice from the government, lots of industries that are totally different have managed it - WHY haven't you?

[NoCaseToAnswer]

The prison officer analogy is because teachers keep saying they can't be seen as the same as other keyworkers as are at higher risk than any other public sector.

As all NHS/care staff apparently have PPE (false, frontline should by now but it's not available for all NHS or care workers who have face to face contact).

Many prisons don't have adequate (or any) PPE for staff and they certainly don't provide it to inmates.

And teachers are apparently not the same as other keyworkers such as supermarket workers exposed to hundreds of people touching stuff all day with no PPE.

That's different it seems because people come and go with social distancing but teachers are expected to be in buildings with dozens of children all day and cannot social distance.

Prison staff are expected to be on wings or moving between wings with hundreds of people all day. Sadly (to some) the inmates have to come out of their cells at points for showers or food. Where even with staggering, you can't bring out one at a time so groups have to mix. My local prison has a wing that doesn't even have in- cell sanitation so inmates have to be brought out if they need to use the toilet. Yes, you heard that right. If there aren't enough staff to answer the bell, inmates piss in bottles or shit in cups.

Children are from all the evidence, less likely to experience serious complications from COVID and potentially less likely to pass it on.

Adult prisons have high levels of at-risk groups likely to have serious complications.

Teachers can send CV positive kids home to isolate. They can shut down areas of schools to deep clean or shut down completely if there was an outbreak.

Prisons cannot. They also rarely have any really effective way to isolate CV positive prisoners full stop.

Teachers have children coughing on them or have to tie shoelaces etc.

Prison officers have people spitting on them, biting them, assaulting them, throwing piss or shit or having to go into cells to deal with serious self-harm and attempted suicides.

That happens routinely. It's ramped up even more during CV because there is even less opportunity for inmates to come out of cells, no socialisation periods like before and no visits from family/ external support workers.

Like I said, not a race to the bottom but it's annoying that some teachers are suggesting they're being put at higher risk than any other keyworkers when they are not.

And some public sector workers/keyworkers at higher risk are completely ignored.

So the crass analogy to bar staff for a laugh grated somewhat.

[blubellsarebells]

Now you're just making up fantasy scenarios.
Could the logic be that children are entitled to an education and the best place to get that is in a school??

[titbumwillypoo]

I'll give you a prison officer analogy. Government tells prisons that they no longer need to lock cells up as there's a big wall and barbed wire surrounding the building, the POA says we don't think that's a good idea. Cue the media and society saying plenty of criminals walk the streets everyday and you don't hear them complaining and stop demanding special treatment.
Every teacher I know is more than happy to get back into class, they just want to know the honest logic behind it? Is it to allow people to work, is is to bring on a limited second spike, is it to encourage herd immunity? These are the questions which the Government aren't answering.

[NoCaseToAnswer]

It's a shit analogy OP.

As someone pointed out on a thread earlier, a closer one would be prison officers who are actually at increased risk not just of CV but CV related violence and trauma with every day of lockdown.

It's not a race to the bottom but it's also not true that teachers are being asked to take more risks than any other keyworkers, its just some have louder voices than others and are likely to have more public support.

[blubellsarebells]

Thats what i will be doing, hopefully before september.
I'll be touching things people have had in their mouths.
I cant do my job without doing that.
I wont be wearing a mask either unless im forced to.
Its bullshit that teachers are being asked to do anything that other people are not already doing or will be doing sooner than later.
Some jobs cant be done with social distancing, including teaching and the job i do, the job needs doing so we have to do it.
I can understand the fear i really can.
But other people have carried on and the rest of us will have to.
My choice is work or join the unemployment line.

[whensmynexthol1day]

This doesn't work as an analogy because as someone else has already pointed out there is no public benefit of people getting back to pubs in fact probably the complete opposite- the number of drink induced trips to a &e has been significantly reduced.
I think all this serves to do is show that op you think this is all about you and nothing to do with the kids which is not helping your argument.

As with all things there is a balance to be struck between all parties- it's a difficult balance, but the hysteria on both sides of this argument is frankly ridiculous.

[titbumwillypoo]

blubellsarebells I have every sympathy for people in precarious jobs at the minute, but do you think bar staff would be happy with being told they can't wear PPE, that all the rules that apply to wider society can just be ignored, that you are only allowed a small number of people in the bar at one time and if customers give you shit about it it's your problem (not the governments fault) That not only are you expected to serve people in the bar but also deliver pints across the community at the same time?

[Fedhimtotigers]

Because we don't care about you. Some of us are enjoying having the time off with our kids and partners without having to deal with all the wankers.

[blubellsarebells]

Its not really funny is it.
Pubs are not the same as schools.
Beer is not a human right, education is.
Pubs and restaurants are and have been planning how we can open up safely.
We will open and go back to work as soon as we are able to.
I cant sit people down, serve drinks or clear tables from 2m away, so no social distancing.
An awful lot of people that work in hospitality are not getting 80% because we rely on tips and they're not included, even though we pay tax on them.
An awful lot of us are actually working in temp jobs in retail manufacturing and others.
Lots of restaurants and pubs are open for takeaway.
If we dont go back to work we wont be getting paid.

[Sandybval]

And bar staff will have to go back when they reopen or have no jobs. They will also stand to lose out as furlough winds down yet they cannot go into work or do work from home. Most here are breaking their backs to at least make something to keep their business afloat, so it's a pretty horrible comparison dressed up as a laugh. But OP will still whinge it's just because people don't like teachers or take it too seriously.

[Orangeteddy]

It doesn’t work as satire because pub/bar owners (my DH is one) is desperate to open and serve customers again. During the time the government has forced him to close he is planning how he will operate to make customers and staff safer. Customers do message him at all times asking when he’s going to re-open. He’s ok with that as he’s glad to have customers keen to come back. He would re-open tomorrow if allowed. His staff are also all ready to come off furlough and come back.

[titbumwillypoo]

AvoidingRealHumans You know it's Saturday?

[Jeffersona]

The nation's dependence on alcohol is a terrible thing

[Sargass0]

Do you also think Swift was 'utterly pathetic' for suggesting selling the poor children as food?

Good idea they'd make great pork scratchings!

[AvoidingRealHumans]

Teachers aren't doing themselves any favours. Create a scene because they're being bashed to death on here and then post ridiculous flowers on posts and now this.

Coming from people who say they don't even have time to wipe their arses because they've been that busy during this time they seem to have a lot of time to be petty online.

[titbumwillypoo]

WillAshton comparing me to Swift, I doff my cap at you

[titbumwillypoo]

look, no masks!

[WillAshton]

@melissasummerfield Do you also think Swift was 'utterly pathetic' for suggesting selling the poor children as food?

[ohlookthisisjustdaftnow]

I want to go to that pub up a mountain in Denmark, it sounds lovely.

[titbumwillypoo]

ProseccoBubbleFantasies and they also have vodka to wipe themselves with when a customer sneezes in their face.

[melissasummerfield]

I get the ‘joke’ and i still think you are utterly pathetic OP

[Damnloginpopup]

I thought that was really good. Thank you.

[Boulshired]

But what is lighthearted about children education and the attainment gap and difference in mental health that is unavoidable with home schooling. Comparing bar staff and teachers.

[Sparklingbrook]

Can someone tell me what the daffodil really means now?

[Sargass0]

it simply looked like another troll thread designed to get people to argue
So why respond? At least you didn't manage to set the tone of the subsequent replies and lots of posters are actually responding with humour and now your post just looks stupid.