AIBU to think that a paedophile's sex is actually relevant when they're convicted?

[Clymene]

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/blackpool-woman-admits-having-more-17788403

In this news report, the offender is referred to as a woman. As is clear when you actually read the article, Julie Marshall is transgender.

According to Sentencing Guidelines however, whether Julie is male or female is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if Julie has a GRC or not, whether Julie is described as male or female is entirely up to Julie, despite the fact that Julie is a vile sick pervert?

"It should be possible to recognise a person's gender identity and their present name for nearly all court and tribunal purposes, regardless of whether they have obtained legal recognition of their gender by way of a Gender Recognition Certificate.
A person’s gender at birth or their transgender history should not be disclosed unless it is necessary and relevant to the particular legal proceedings"

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Equal-Treatment-Bench-Book.pdf

AIBU to be fed up of hideous crimes committed by men being wrongly attributed to women?

[donquixotedelamancha]

I think the law and judiciary have got this terribly wrong.

To my knowlege no law has changed to facilitate this and no judicial decision supports it. Indeed i'm not totally convinced it complies with existing law (IANAL, this is supposition).

These changes are administrative. They occur because a small number of people of importance within the police, CPS and courts say so. Making these changes happen, by 'training' and lobbying, has been the primary focus of charities like TELI and Stonewall for several years.

[Clymene]

They are guidelines, it's not law. The section I quoted ends with a rubbishing of the Equality Act. The actual law.

[Staffori]

I assumed the 'woman' was transgender as soon as I saw the headline because this is typically a male crime and the only women I've heard of being involved in this kind of crime were heavily involved and in thrall to particular men - not acting alone.

But I don't think the article makes it clear at all. 'Marshall, who also has the alias John Robert Marshall,' could easily mean Julie is a woman who has a male pseudonym online. If Julie is trans, the article is outrageous and they better not put him in a woman's prison...

[BigChocFrenzy]

YADNBU

Official crime statistics should record the sex of the criminal, not their fantasy

Anything else is a perversion of statistics

[popehilarious]

It's outrageous and we are all mugs if we sit here and accept it.
Fight against it.

[LonginesPrime]

YANBU.

The other consequence of this false recording is that when women object to males being allowed in their safe spaces, people can point to the crime statistics and say 'but you're unreasonable saying that violence/sexual assault is more commonly committed by males - plenty of women commit those types of crimes too'.

The figures are already skewed as this has been going on for a while now - it's bizarre that we've got to a point where a violent criminal can just say 'oh, I want you to record this crime how I say it happened even though it's not based in material reality' and the authorities say 'yes, of course'.

[pumpkinbump]

Absolutely disgusting! Hopefully whatever prison they go to, they will get a battering. The world is going mad.

[knowmenclature]

Does anyone recall the false headline about the gang of women that were apparently going round attacking people. They might have been dressed like they think women dress, but underneath the dresses were male.

Inalso hear recently about the national censys being under threat, for hiding male/female stats, and now it seems theres calls for the census to end!

[Clymene]

Harriet Wistrich is on it: www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/warning-over-judges-transgender-guidance/5103196.article

The Judicial College say it is not in the public's best interest to disclose who advised them. I think we can all have a pretty good guess though

[Dozer]

YANBU. Shame on any organisations collecting statistics that prioritise a lobby group’s wishes over facts, and collecting good data.

Shame too on journalists and publications using violent men’s preferred pronouns.

[PileofToss]

If I’m honest, usually when I read the endless posts on here about trans people, I roll my eyes - but this is find abhorrent.

If you’re trans and going about your life in a way which doesn’t affect anyone else, which I believe the vast majority of trans people are, then good for you!

If you’re a trans person who is committing crimes, especially as serious as paedophilia, you lost your right to be called what you want. This is not a female crime.

[Clymene]

This is the inevitable outcome though PieofToss. If transwomen are a subset of women then they remain that no matter what they do. You can't rescind that if they turn out to be a sexual predator

[Coolcucumber2020]

Yanbu

It is vitally important that crime is recorded accurately including sex of the offender and victim. Even if it is recorded that the man wants to be known as a woman. That can all be recorded, but sex affects support and prevention.

To be honest I’m not fussed about men using women’s changing rooms or toilets. But I am strongly against incorrect recording. I’ve seen men’s websites quoting that domestic violence against women is just as much for men etc and if women’s aid groups do not have the facts to back them up they cannot argue for funding, for example.

[SimplySteveRedux]

• All the statistics will be skewed and won't present at true version of crime in this country.
  I think that allowing child rapists to identify as women is doing a shocking and serious disservice to genuine transgender people.
  It's a massive loophole for violent and abusive men to be locked up with vulnerable women.*
  
  Well they are skewed already, especially for sexual offences due to the blanket pressure applied by misogynistic men to not report.
  
  This loophole needs closed expeditiously, it won't take long for it to be abused and a fake trans MTF to exploit it. It's probably already happened. Shocking.

[Coolcucumber2020]

Is there a petition or something to sign?

[LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett]

This is the whole issue in a nutshell. Crime reporting rates get skewed, rape and sexual assault is no longer a 'male' crime, detection and funding for support becomes gender-neutral... Within 20 years men won't need to self ID as women because there will be no argument for female-only services - sexual assault will have become a completely gender neutral crime.

[JustHereWithMyPopcorn]

YANBU. Watch the crime stats slowly change to make it look like women are as bad as men (as a class before anyone starts) and all safeguarding disappears.

[HepzibahGreen]

I used to wonder what all the fuss was about re changing rooms and toilets, but I don't now, because rapists in women's prisons and peadophiles being recorded as the sex they choose is the logical end result of people being able to choose their sex in law.
You can't have self Id for the purposes of changing rooms and not have it for prison or refuges.
Now I have gone hard-line and think that ALL women's spaces need to stay single sex, so there's no wriggle room at all, because there are just too many dodgy perverts trying to exploit the PC policies of most organisations. Enough is enough.

[MummySharn]

YADNBU

[Alpacathebag]

Yanbu, a woman cannot rape another person using their penis because women do not have penises to rape anyone with.

This is effectively gaslighting the victims. If they were assaulted by a man with a penis and then told actually that's a woman, that is really going to mess with their heads. How could they trust anyone ever again?!

[JRUIN]

I came on here ready to disagree with you until I read the whole post. This makes me so angry and YADNBA OP

[Hepsibar]

If the abuse happened when she was identifying as a man, it should be recorded in the male stats ... and vv if when a woman. Either way, I think all paedophiles deserve the death penalty.

[Clymene]

The 80,000 offences Julie has been convicted of took place over a 14 year period @Hepsibar. What if Julie was John for the first 10 years and only became Julie in the last 4? Or the last one?

[Emmuvva]

I struggle to believe this is actually happening. This is some proper 1984 style shit. When are the bulk of women going to wake up and start protesting?

[missproportionate]

Yanbu