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IF this is true, AIBU to be gobsmacked?

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themental · 14/12/2019 04:29

Popped up on my Facebook so for all I know, it could be fake news. BUT if it's not....

I feel shocked and kinda mildly sad about it.

And I know that's probably being unreasonable. Every vote is equal, and all ages have a say.

But... fuck me.

That the attitudes in the country are SO skewed depending on which side of fifty you fall on is worrying. The fact cons would have returned 0 seats in the youngest age bracket makes me wonder what incentive they have to lift a finger for them.

IF this is true, AIBU to be gobsmacked?
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bohemia14 · 14/12/2019 06:08

But it isn't possible to collate age. Votes are anonymous. My age isn't on the ballot paper, neither is my name.

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BowermansNose · 14/12/2019 06:12

Of course it’s possible to collate age through sampling / polling. I wouldn’t trust the map per se, but it’s not an entirely impossible to collate map

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itwasalovelydreamwhileitlasted · 14/12/2019 06:16

Sigh

Fake news obviously
The conservative are an established political party which has governed for a significant proportion of the last 100 years I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing

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Bumpitybumper · 14/12/2019 06:17

I thought it had been proven a long time ago that young people tend to be more left leaning and then generally move more towards the right as they get older.

I see this trend all the time IRL regarding people's economic views. It's easy to vote for high taxation and redistribution of wealth when you aren't earning a lot and don't have many assets. As you get older, earn more, accrue some assets and also often dependants, the idea of higher taxes and losing a big chunk of what you've worked hard for is less appealing.

Let's not forget that the old people of today were young once and probably were a lot more left leaning. They have simply conformed to type as they have aged, in the same way as today's young probably will. It's divisive to think that the young of today are different to previous generations. This way of thinking just "others" people of different ages and promotes divisiveness.

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GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 14/12/2019 06:18

For those who say your vote is anonymous- it’s not. When you go in watch as they write your ballot paper number next to your voter ID number that’s on your polling card/list of names and addresses.

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WelcomeToShootingStars · 14/12/2019 06:26

Surely the data comes from something like the exit polls, which is available pretty instantaneously?

Regardless, younger people do tend to be more left leaning as typically their interests will be geared towards what they can get (uni fees, maternity and so on) and older people tend to be concerned more with how they can protect what they have (lower taxes and so on)

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Marmalady75 · 14/12/2019 06:35

Absolute tosh! As many have said you can’t tell the age of a person from a ballot paper. Also there are far more parties than Labour and Conservative. E.g. I live in an area where there was a very big win for SNP, but according to the map neither the youngest or oldest age groups voted that way.

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Pixxie7 · 14/12/2019 06:37

Interesting to see youngsters demonstrating yesterday.

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PooWillyBumBum · 14/12/2019 06:37

As above the data is probably through polls and wouldn’t surprise me. I live in a Tory area and absolutely everyone I know under 30 (and I’m 29 so that’s still a good few people!) voted for Labour. It’s showing seats that would be won, not votes.

It makes sense to me that you’re worried but you could equally accuse Labour of planning to screw over the over 50s if they got in, as they aren’t their main voting demographic.

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mumwon · 14/12/2019 06:52

dh & I are both retired & neither of us voted Conservative (& I am sick of sweeping generalization that all our generation voted for Brexit -we didn't & neither did many of our friends)

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willdoitinaminute · 14/12/2019 07:08

Slightly more interesting is that, according to this “data”, the SNP are not popular with the Scottish youth even though there are no tuition fees for Scottish students. Perhaps Labour’s free broadband was a key policy for them.

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SunnyHens · 14/12/2019 07:11

This came up on my newsfeed too and I was very surprised.
It’s not about 2019 but based on 2017 election voting habits. Used a combination of gov polls and other data.
I wouldn’t class that as fake news. Instead just another layer of analysis giving food for thought. Wish I’d seen it months ago!
If it helps to see the source it was created by electionmaps.uk/

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Celebelly · 14/12/2019 07:12

Yes, your vote is not anonymous in the strictest sense. They need to have your ballot paper number registered to your name in cases of electoral fraud (so if someone claims to be you and votes before you do, they can find the offending fraudulent ballot paper and destroy it). I don't know, though, what kind of demographic info they have. But anyway I suspect those figures, if accurate, are done from polls anyway.

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madcatladyforever · 14/12/2019 07:16

I think it's normal, most people are left wing when youngsters and get more right wing as they get older.

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halloumi2019 · 14/12/2019 07:19

I doubt it’s impossible; a lot of people my age (22) voted Labour and/or actually like Jeremy Corbyn. Let’s be honest, we’re the generations that are getting the most fucked over - unlike the rest of you who managed to have much easier lives back when you were our age. Twitter would have led you to believe that Labour will win by a landslide.

I think with older generations, some people may vote tories as a status symbol amongst their peers/to follow the crowd, or perhaps do so because that’s how they have voted their entire lives etc. The younger you are, the less likely you are to succumb to pressure like this.

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Lexplorer · 14/12/2019 07:21

As someone else said I think this is based on Lord Ashcroft's poll which is from a wide ranging sample of 26,000 people. If you read the poll in its entirety it comes up with some interesting graphs, models etc. How accurate is it? As accurate as any of these things tend to be!

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Barnseyboyo · 14/12/2019 07:22

henrysmycat

You’re horrible person

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lowlandLucky · 14/12/2019 07:24

My 16 year old Niece voted Conservative

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Barnseyboyo · 14/12/2019 07:24

halloumi2019

They didn’t have it much easier. Look at history. You just want want everything handed to you without actually working for it.

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Lexplorer · 14/12/2019 07:26

We didn't have it easier.

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KamikazeIdiot · 14/12/2019 07:29

Votes are not anonymous. When the people at the polling station hand you your ballot paper they note its serial number against your name on the electoral register. Anyone's vote can be traced by the local authority. However, it takes months to collect the data of how each person on the register voted for this kind of analysis. I couldn't find out who electionmaps.uk are: I doubt they would have access to the data needed for this analysis anyway. It might be based on survey data, as there are probably similar maps for socioeconomic class and/or household income, which can't be derived from the electoral register.

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Patte · 14/12/2019 07:35

It's always been the case that the young skew left and the old skew right. And in a FPTP system, yes, that would mean under 30s wouldn't elect any Conservatives if they were the only ones voting. It doesn't mean no under 30s vote Conservative though!

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KatherineJaneway · 14/12/2019 07:36

halloumi2019

Your post is patronising bollocks.

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Bluntness100 · 14/12/2019 07:39

Cmon op, even a toddler could work out this was fake. Not only is it unlikely in the extreme, but as pps said, you don't put your age on the ballot paper ...it's anonymous remember,,🤣

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meredithgrey1 · 14/12/2019 07:40

It seems those maps are from Sept 2018. There is an article in the independent about them, stating that it comes from Yougov polling data asking people how they'd vote if there was a general election.
Yougov often have pretty accurate polling leading up to elections but they won't run surveys of that size/complexity all the time and it doesn't say what kind of sample and analysis was done to get this data.
But I don't find it that surprising. It's probably exaggerated the differences but I thought it was generally accepted that as a whole the older you are the more likely you are to vote right wing.

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