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To say a period does not cost £25

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jinjkl · 28/06/2018 20:53

I hear the story on the radio about MP Danielle Rowley standing up in parliament to speak out about period poverty.

Good on her - it shouldn't be a taboo subject and I feel for the homeless women or those in poverty who cannot afford basic luxuries. But I can't agree with her statement that each period costs £25, and that women spend £500 a year on sanitary products.

You can buy a 20 pack of supermarket own brand tampons for £1 and that lasts a whole period. Even if you buy Tampax you won't be spending more than £3. Sanitary towels are about the same.

You can pick up some painkillers for under £1. I know some women have extreme periods which require prescription medication, but this is uncommon and it still wouldn't cost anywhere near £25.

Some would probably argue it's the cost of replacing soiled knickers, but the whole period poverty campaign is centred around sanitary protection, not giving women women to buy new knickers after a period (I wish!)

I want sanitary protection to be free as much as the next person, but I just can't abide by these exaggerations. Any woman knows they don't spend £25 every month on their period, and if you are spending this much there is something seriously wrong.

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Clionba · 30/06/2018 11:04

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe thank you

bummymum · 30/06/2018 11:08

Are you kidding? Mine easily cost £25 a month.

dotdotdot3 · 30/06/2018 11:36

I think the point about this particular research is that it was very poorly designed, and therefore is open to ridicule/disbelief. Anger should be rightly directed at whoever designed it, and then released the results.

By including the trivial items (ice cream, chocolate, dvds etc) it would suggest that respondents were possibly self selecting (unlikely to contain many 'outliers' who have exceptional costs, and also unlikely to focus on those with low incomes). The end figure might be reflect the truth for some women, but I suspect this will be overlooked because of the inclusion of non-essential items.

If there is a campaign, I'd have thought the first task would be to commission some proper research among the women who most need help.

crispysausagerolls · 30/06/2018 11:39

dotdotdot3

Exactly!!!!!!

Aridane · 30/06/2018 11:43

That £500 article is a disgrace and by including magazines, chocolate etc in the calculation trivialises the real problem of period poverty for some

Aridane · 30/06/2018 11:45

And here is the text of the article dot so helpfully linked

One in ten teenage girls has, at some point, been unable to afford sanitary products. One in seven has had to borrow tampons or sanitary towels from a friend because they couldn’t afford to buy their own.

That’s according to a 2017 study by children’s charity, Plan International UK, which asked 1,000 14 to 21-year-olds about their experiences of menstruation.

Period poverty is a thing. But there have been a few dodgy statistics flying around recently.

Do periods cost the average woman £500 a year?

The Labour MP, Danielle Rowley, told the House of Commons in a debate about period poverty this week:

“We know that the average cost of a period in the UK over a year is £500″
She was widely praised for talking openly about being on her period, breaking parliamentary taboo in the process.

Period poverty is undoubtedly a serious issue for girls and women on low incomes.

But that £500 a year figure made the FactCheck team a little curious – if true, that would mean the average woman spends about £40 a month on managing their menstruation.

A spokesperson for Ms Rowley confirmed that she was referring to a 2015 survey by a company called VoucherCodesPro.co.uk. The survey asked 2,134 women aged 16 to 45 how much they spent on their period each month.

Respondents said they spent about £13 a month on sanitary towels, tampons, and/or menstrual cups, a further £8 on new underwear, and £4.50 on pain relief.

But the figure also included spending on chocolate, sweets, crisps (£8.50) plus £7 on “other” items, including magazines, toiletries and DVDs.

The company concluded that, taking all this into account, the average woman spends £492 a year on her period.

The problem is, that’s very unlikely to reflect the experiences of people suffering from period poverty. By definition, these are people on low incomes who will probably not consider monthly spending on DVDs, chocolates and sweets a necessity to help them manage their period.

The charity Bloody Good Period provides menstrual supplies to food banks, asylum centres and “those who can’t afford them.” They estimate that the average lifetime cost of having a period is about £4,800.

Assuming the average woman has 450 periods in a lifetime (this is the assumption that the VoucherCodesPro survey used), that works out at about £128 a year, or just under £11 a period.

But what about the cost of heavy periods?

There are, allegedly, some women who are blessed with a one-day, hardly-feel-it period, who presumably breeze through the month in a range of white linen trousers and miniskirts.

But if you don’t find yourself in that fortunate category, you’ll know that there is a whole range of ways that periods can be painful, embarrassing and expensive.

Danielle Rowley told us some of the ways things can go wrong – and what it can mean for your bank balance.

Rowley says: “First of all I buy three different sizes of tampons… Sometimes my flow is so heavy that I need to have the bigger sized tampons and wear a day time pad as well. For night time I buy night pads, because I prefer to feel that I can sleep peacefully.”
Medical conditions play a role. Rowley points out that conditions including endometriosis (where the tissue that usually lines the womb finds its way outside the uterus into areas like the ovaries) can cause very heavy periods.
Pain levels vary, and sometimes mean women opt for higher-strength medication, which is often more expensive than own-brand products.
Are we missing the point?

You can buy a pack of 20 Tampax for £1.90, a box of 14 super plus extra Lil-Lets for £1.50, and a pack of 20 Tesco own-brand tampons for £0.95.

Even if you got through two or three boxes a month, that would cost less than £5 a period.

Some would argue that the period poverty debate shouldn’t focus on how much the average woman spends, or is forced to spend. The real problem is that some girls and women cannot afford to spend even that relatively small amount of money on sanitary products.

FactCheck verdict

The claim that the average woman spends £500 a year on managing their period is somewhat misleading. It includes other costs that most people would not consider necessities – for example, buying DVDs, chocolates and sweets.

A more realistic estimate of the average cost of periods is about £128 a year, or £10 a month.

Period poverty is very much a thing: one in ten teenage girls has been unable to afford tampons or sanitary towels.

Either way, many would argue that regardless of how much the average woman spends, the real issue is that for the very poorest girls and women, even a few pounds a month is unaffordable.

Neia · 30/06/2018 11:47

I used to occasionally use painkillers but since I started taking maca, I no longer need them. No more bloating and feeling wretched. Whilst it in itself has a cost associated with it, it's good for you at the same time as removing the need for painkillers. As for the price of stain remover, a stick of Vanish last me months.

WerkSupp · 30/06/2018 11:50

Well whaddya know, 13 procedures the NHS will no longer fund and 2 of them are to treat heavy menstrual bleeding. Basically if the Mirena doesn't stop your heavy bleeding or you can't use it you're fucked.

this

Lefroy · 30/06/2018 11:54

I'm sure BBC Radio 4 More or Less debunked the spending and I think had it at around 13p a day, although I'd need to look it up to be sure.

WerkSupp · 30/06/2018 11:56

and asked him why women, specifically those in peri stages of menopause suffer with such awful periods,he said years ago we'd be dead by now, and it was a sign of our bodies failing. Possibly true in some parts, but helpful?

Not so true. Actually, statistically, if a female survived to the age of 5 (infant mortality is what brought life expectancy down until recently) and survived childbirth there was a reasonable chance of living to what was considered reasonably elderly. It's a myth we all died in our 40s.

Iceweasel · 30/06/2018 12:06

and asked him why women, specifically those in peri stages of menopause suffer with such awful periods,he said years ago we'd be dead by now, and it was a sign of our bodies failing. Possibly true in some parts, but helpful?
I've read that obesity and insulin resistance are some of the causes of heavy periods. So maybe years ago heavy periods were less common?

bummymum · 30/06/2018 12:16

13 fucking pence a day???! They can fuck RIGHT off with that. Angry

crispysausagerolls · 30/06/2018 12:22

So maybe years ago heavy periods were less common?

This isn’t the case. If you read the Trotula, written in the 12th century, it discusses heavy periods in detail. Laughably back then they thought period issues related to women’s personalities etc - “if she has a heavy period it means she is too warm/in a poor humour” etc etc

vincettenoir · 30/06/2018 12:23

I totally agree with you. I have endometriosis which means spotting before and after and extra spending on prescription painkillers but I still don’t spend more than a fiver a time.

WerkSupp · 30/06/2018 12:31

Jesus cures a woman with heavy bleeding in the Bible, FFS, this is not a new thing.

Topseyt · 30/06/2018 12:34

I should have said in my posts that I too support what the MP is trying to achieve.

I would also support an MN campaign.

With regard to the question of whether chocolate, crisps and dvds should have been included in these costings, they are things we would quite often buy as a family of 5 anyway so it wouldn't have occurred to me to include it in my own costs. As a frequent flooder though with an increasingly unpredictable cycle, I do have to regularly spend a fair bit.

It has a huge impact on my life now, and not just financially.

We need better support, from GPs, from the NHS in general, and from MPs.

I think it is very short sighted that services relating to women's health are high on the list of procedures to be cut or severely rationed. They seem to think that very heavy periods are just some minor inconvenience rather than a real problem.

In fact, prolonged heavy periods over a significant time span can cause a host of serious medical issues including anaemia, seriously low ferritin levels, fainting and nausea, raised heart rate sometimes when some of this is happening. Some of these can end up being life threatening and the tab for treatment then will have to be picked up by the NHS eventually, probably costing even more than if they had taken women seriously and offered them the treatment options they needed in the first instance.

So why is women's health seemingly dropping down the agenda. It shouldn't be. It should be equal to men's health.

Iceweasel · 30/06/2018 12:34

I never said heavy periods were a new thing or didn't exist years ago. I said that maybe they were less common as obesity and insulin resistance are some of the causes.

crispysausagerolls · 30/06/2018 12:39

It’s quite sad - it’s in the paper today that 2/17 “medically unnecessary” procedures the NHS will look to reduce are D&C due to heavy menstruation and hysterectomy.

bookbuddy · 30/06/2018 12:48

Every 2 months 6x body form ultra night £12 men acid, £8.80 trans acid £8.80, co codomol £8.80 = £38.40 so monthly I spend £19.20 then extra machine washes bed sheets require changing oh and bed mats £6 for a pack of 8 so I don’t think it’s that far off!

bookbuddy · 30/06/2018 12:50

Oops forgot to add iron tablets.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 30/06/2018 12:57

Why are some posters allowing their attention to be diverted with an ill-advised article with questionable financials from the REAL and ACTUAL issue that many women are suffering each month with little or no medical support.

I mean, just how vapid and hard of thinking do you have to be to allow an article to distract you from the reality? Confused

The MP raised this and I welcome that. I'm sure that decisions won't be based on the spouting of The Huffington Post and the like, even if some posters here choose not to support their own sex. Pathetic.

bunbunny · 30/06/2018 13:30

@crispysausagerolls Not realky sure what the connection is between that post and my post, other than they are suggesting a lower amount than the £500. I wasn't talking about actual amounts (and there are plenty of people on this thread who have said they reach £25/month without the chocolate and dvds, I was just thinking about the essential stuff).

I was just trying to find an analogy to illustrate the situation that I hoped most women would understand- that if you have ended up with size 44FF breasts then somebody else saying that they wear a size 32A bra that is absolutely fine so it should fine for everybody else too is really not helpful. With bras, people should be able to easily imagine how there are lots of women in all shapes and sizes, and how difficult it is to wear a bra that is many sizes too small.

However when it comes to periods there seem to be many people that seem to refuse to believe that others can have heavy periods that cost them a lot of money each month.

Hushhush89 · 30/06/2018 13:46

Defiantly wouldn't call it heavy if it took 4 hours to fill up a pad, when I was 13 I use to wear tampons and night time pads and I still had to change every hour otherwise I would have leaked.

stayingaliveisawayoflife · 30/06/2018 13:57

As I am on the implant and seem to be catching up on all the periods I didn't have while on the injection I am going through a lot of san pro!

Graphista · 30/06/2018 16:28

"And in the news this morning the NHS is looking to cut 7 risky or ineffective treatments...of which d&c and/or hysterectomy for heavy menstrual bleeding are listed. After reading this thread and having my eyes opened I am shocked and disappointed in decisions made." That's fucking disgraceful!!

And can I just point out - how the HELL are poor women supposed to find the money to go private when being REPEATEDLY fobbed off by Drs? I certainly couldn't, not even when I was working!

For the hard of reading

I DID NOT INC CHOCOLATE, DVD's or TISSUES in my calculation that reached £48 - that was purely direct costs of having heavy painful periods.

@waggymama
"If periods are so heavy it is necessary to change pads every hour for 10 days then women should be seeing their GP" FOR FUCKS SAKE HOW MANY TIMES? WE ARE - WE ARE BEING FOBBED OFF, DISMISSED, DISBELIEVED, TOLD WE ARE EXAGGERATING, TO 'PUT UP AND SHUT UP' FOR MANY YEARS

Plus - there's VERY little research being done, so treatment even when you DO eventually get a diagnosis are limited, high risk (cancer and life threatening blood clots as 'side effects') and don't always make that much difference if any!