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to expect pre-school staff to wipe ds bum after number 2?

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munchkinmum · 25/04/2007 20:51

My daughter(only this weekend turned 3) came home with 2 pairs of pooey knickers and a dirty bum from pre-school (attached to her normal nursery where she has been going for 2 years).

I'm disgusted that they did not sort her out properly (twice!) and she was upset that her knicks were dirty poor love.

What a disapointing end to what is a milestone day - first time as a pre-schooler...

What do you think?

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gladbag · 25/04/2007 21:42

You made me laugh, NQC - my ds does a downward dog for having his bum wiped (that's what we call it, and that's what we taught him to do). I did pre-warn the nursery staff. He goes to a private day-care nursery, and is in the Foundation Stage room, as he's 3.2. They are quite happy with the arrangement, and always clean him up thoroughly. To be honest, I wouldn't expect anything less, and agree munchkinmum that you should speak to them.

gingeme · 25/04/2007 21:43

Oh and aparantly if a child can reach their left ear with their right hand over the top of their head then they can reach their bottom to wipe it. Cant remember where I heard that but try it its true

NotQuiteCockney · 25/04/2007 21:43

His poo may well move. That's what happened to DS1, anyway.

paulaplumpbottom · 25/04/2007 21:45

Lol My DD sometimes takes that position, I had no idea that there was a name for it

gladbag · 25/04/2007 21:45

A bit off the topic, but it's made me think - I suppose we should start teaching him how to wipe it himself fairly soon - when do you start (also being aware that he can't downward dog and expect help for years to come...)?

gingeme · 25/04/2007 21:46

Looks like you and I will be having words with our dc's teachers tommorrow then munchkinmum.

paulaplumpbottom · 25/04/2007 21:46

Let them have it

gingeme · 25/04/2007 21:47

I mean apart from the poohey pants the pre school is excelent. Should I rock the boat?

NotQuiteCockney · 25/04/2007 21:49

There's 'can reach' and 'can be bothered to do it properly'. I have a v good sense of smell, I'm happy to keep doing wiping so he isn't gross, tbh. (He's 5.5. I get him to do the initial wiping, and then I finish up.)

NotQuiteCockney · 25/04/2007 21:49

I'd first ask your DD what happened, and then have a quiet word.

NappiesGalore · 25/04/2007 21:57

its not rocking the boat to ask them to clarify what the proceedure is? it might be if you disagree with the answer though
and if they say they do it carefully then i bet they will be more careful now they know youre paying attention iyswim.

gingeme · 25/04/2007 21:58

Yeah thats true Nappys. Ill keep that in mind. Thanks.

divastrop · 25/04/2007 22:00

gingeme-i dont understand,did they leave him in poo pants till you got there?

Original poster

munchkinmum · 25/04/2007 22:03

Gingeme - see you on this thread 2 compare notes 2moro night.

Good luck!

Nighty night x

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gingeme · 26/04/2007 09:15

Good morning munchkinmum. How did it go? I took the teacher to one side and asked what the nurseries policy was as far as dealing with pooh and the like is concerned. They said they did wipe bottoms and change nappies when a child has had a pooh and apologised for the incidents. I guess you were right Nappiesgalore and they will try a bit harder from now on. Hope you have had the same results munchkinmum.

oliveoil · 26/04/2007 09:20

oh I did a thread about this

I think dd1 just went on her own and didn't tell anybody she was going so nobody wiped her

she was upset re knickers too but a brisk "oh mummy will pop them in the clever washing machine, do you want to help?" etc sorted that out

I wouldn't go in snarling, find out the facts first

oliveoil · 26/04/2007 09:21

also, she still comes home occasionally with marks and she is 4.6 yrs, starts school in September

it takes a while to learn to wipe imo

if you show that you are bothered too much, it may transfer to her

it is only poo!

BendandBreak · 26/04/2007 09:43

OLIVEOIL,

at last somebody who has the same opinion as my dh-

"it is only poo"

He constantly goes on to me about how some mothers act like it's toxic waste eg. when they see you with a nappy to dispose of when you're at their house;
or when people apologise about talking about it in case it offends.

Unfortunately, that's pretty much how I was brought up but can easily see now how it's ridiculous, as he says.

IdrisTheDragon · 26/04/2007 09:48

I don;t know if anyone wipes DS at pre-school or not (he's 3.5). He tries himself at home but generally gets me to do it.

I would expect his childminders to wipe him though.

Anna8888 · 26/04/2007 09:59

BendandBreak - dirty nappies ARE toxic waste. Faecal matter on hands, door knobs etc is one of the main transmitters of disease in this hyper hygienic age.

usandnosleep · 26/04/2007 10:10

If the pre-school is open plan and the children can access the toilets by themselves the staff simply may not know.
Having said that she is new so you would think someone would be keeping an extra eye helping her t settle in

BendandBreak · 26/04/2007 10:20

Anna8888-

Faecal matter (and the bacteria it contains)is a problem when it is on people's hands and yes, indeed gets onto doorknobs and ultimately into people's mouths by the faecal-oral route. This happens by not washing hands, which we always do.

I'm talking about people who look at a bagged nappy, dirty or otherwise and run for cover.
I'm not talking about wiping the contents of it over the host's house interior walls.

EllieG · 26/04/2007 10:25

I don't know anything about nurseries or 3 year old really for that matter, but maybe they just don't realise? Plus they might have child protection proceedures relating to how they deal with physical basic care of kiddies - seems a bit silly for 3 year olds but I know nurseries and schools have to be really careful to protect themselves and staff as well as of course children.

paulaplumpbottom · 26/04/2007 16:19

How did it go? Did you talk to them?

chocolattegirl · 26/04/2007 16:31

The creche that my dd attended one day a week used to hoik the parents/carers out of class to change nappies or pants if they were pooed in. This was made clear that this would be the case at the time of registration though. By the time dd went into pre-school, the nursery would change them into spares and hand the dirty drawers to whoever collected them. In the main part of the school, the school secretaries help clean themselves up if they have an accident.

I think it may hinge on if your dd actually asked for help - sometimes LO's can be embarrassed when they know they should be getting toilet trained and they don't want to draw attention to it.

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