WIBU to move to Ireland to give birth

[DahlTheGalah]

So that my baby would be an Irish and therefore EU citizen?

It seems farfetched to me, but I'm half serious. I am still so sad about Brexit, and being pregnant is bringing it home more as I've had the most wonderful and enriching experiences studying, living and working in Europe and am sad my baby may well not have those opportunities in the same way.

Currently, babies born on the island of Ireland to British Nationals get Irish (and therefore EU) citizenship. I am not Irish, but British currently living in Britain, and would be just making use of this law.

Has anyone else thought of doing this for the same reasons, or actually gone ahead?

How U am I being?

[senzaparole03]

I don't understand Madforit Irish nationals who can't get an abortion come over to the UK and PAY. It is not done on the NHS.

And until just very recently, northern Irish nationals had to pay for it when travelling to GB too. Just by the by.

[Nellyphants]

Madforit, any woman traveling from Ireland to Britain has to pay. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?

[CharisMama]

As an Irish citizen I say go for it.

There is so much exchange between UK and Ireland that we need the same rights in both countries. There are British court orders with regard to (child) access that were enforceable in the UK and Ireland and after Brexit I don't know if they will still be enforceable. I worked for over 10 years in the UK and I was (am?) eligible for about £50 pension per week and as I am too old to chalk up the 35 years for an Irish state pension I am banking on that top up. This whole brexit thing is such a stupid idea!

[MadForlt]

And I've already apologise for my misunderstanding, so I don't understand what your point is either, Nelly.

[LisaSimpsonsbff]

I'm not sure why people see moving to NI to give birth as so different to moving to any other part of the UK? If she had decided on Lancashire, would that also be 'health tourism'? Can women only justifiably give birth in the CCG they conceived in?

[CharisMama]

PS yes, Irish citizens who have terminations PAY for them. They need a one stop shop and can't access 2 British GPs when they're aren't resident.

[LivLemler]

I'm not sure why people see moving to NI to give birth as so different to moving to any other part of the UK? If she had decided on Lancashire, would that also be 'health tourism'? Can women only justifiably give birth in the CCG they conceived in?

Think the thread has moved on in OP's case as she has stated she's considering moving to NI. But, in general, it annoys me first of all because NI is a very small part of the UK. Only a very small proportion of pregnant women in GB taking this step would introduce a strain on NI services.

Also, women in GB travelling to NI to give birth just so their DC will have an Irish passport without any connection to Ireland or NI ignores the reason why NI citizens can choose their citizenship. It glosses over the pain that has happened in NI and just takes advantage.

[charlestonchaplin]

Realistically, I can't see many British women doing this.

[ZigZagandDustin]

Actually, if people knew how good lifestyle is in NI I think they'd be here in droves but don't tell anyone, it's the UKs best kept secret!

ROI however is a different matter. Great place but no British person would be happy suddenly being taxed Irish style.

[senzaparole03]

Great place but no British person would be happy suddenly being taxed Irish style.

Unless they live in Scotland... isn't that about to go through huge tax reform? 40% over 24k?

[senzaparole03]

Unrelated note, my DP has just landed in Belfast for a work trip, and before even getting his hire car I think he prefers it to London!

[Nellyphants]

It was a cross post madforit

[IsaSchmisa]

You wouldn't be unreasonable to choose to live anywhere in your country of residence and citizenship, no. I'm not a Unionist myself but NI is part of the UK and that's not going to change before you give birth. Your tax is shared between the constituent countries of the UK: you're not funding the NHS in NI any more or less than you're funding it in Godalming or Leeds. If your baby is born in NI to a British citizen parent, it will be both a British and Irish citizen from birth.

Personally I love NI, like you I have family there. There are problems but it's still a great place. I just hope things stay that way.

Also, this:

I find it distasteful that certain factions of Irish society want to minimise the role of the Irish constitution in causing her death. She was explicitly told by a nurse that she couldn't have an abortion because Ireland is a catholic country. At this point she was begging for one. Despite this being a much wanted first baby for her. She knew her life was threatened.

Nothing but the truth, except you left out that it's not just Irish forced birthers who engage in this. I have seen and heard people of other nationalities do it too. RIP Savita, and Never Fucking Forget.

[Maya15]

YANBU

You are giving your child more opportunities and options later in life.
Just do it.

[FuckFaulkerILikeTheGruffalo]

To whoever pointed out I hadn't RTFT - thank you!

Point still stands though, the kid wouldn't be entitled to Irish citizenship/passport. As a foreign national (from ROI's POV), being British, the OP would need to be resident on the island of Ireland for 3 out of 4 years prior to having her baby for her baby to be entitled to Irish citizenship. If moving there and staying there enough years, possibly would allow her child to apply for citizenship on a naturalised/per res sort of basis, I don't know much about that route of it. I'm only saying all this because I have a feeling OP doesn't know it from her OP?

And yes, LimLevler, it's not as very nice idea, nail on the head there, but I don't think it'll happen in droves or anything. Can't imagine a lot of people will move, wait a few years, then TTC just for an EU passport for the wean. Sounds mad!

[ConciseandNice]

Relocate to Europe after the birth and get citizenship somewhere else? We are moving to mainland Europe next year and our kids will get citizenship after 5 years there. I am getting Irish citizenship first though, through my grandmother.

I agree it's the principle of the thing. It is sad for our children to miss out on being European all because of Brexitdumbassery.

[curryforbreakfast]

However, if you do have relatives - there has to be a link with a woman - grandmother being the last (not great grandmother), then you can get Irish citizenship and can pass this on to your child - not your husband

Not true that the descent link has to be a woman, If your grandparents were married your grandfather is just as good a link.

[GreenPurpleRed]

I've only got as far as @specialsubject on page one and thought what a fucking nasty shit comment from you when I've always thought your replies pretty measured.

[DonnyAndVladSittingInATree]

Are you really considering moving to NI Op? Because NI is about to be totally shafted by brexit. We will be in a far worse state than the rest of the UK as a result. That’s before you even get to the issue of how the border will work. We may not have peace for some time depending on what happens.

[senzaparole03]

@Fualkner. Point still stands though, the kid wouldn't be entitled to Irish citizenship/passport. As a foreign national (from ROI's POV), being British, the OP would need to be resident on the island of Ireland for 3 out of 4 years prior to having her baby for her baby to be entitled to Irish citizenship.

This is incorrect.

The Belfast Agreement states that any child born "on the island of Ireland on or after 1 January 2005 ... is entitled to be an Irish citizen if at least one of his parents or his or her parents is ... a British citizen"

[senzaparole03]

@concise Relocate to Europe after the birth and get citizenship somewhere else?

Why would she do that? When it is s much easier to relocate without having to emigrate?

[Waterdropsdown]

@senzaparole03
Please don’t spout lies about the tax reform in Scotland. If you do not know the details then don’t say anything about it.
Apologies for the change of subject.

[senzaparole03]

@Waterdropsdown Do you understand what a question mark is?
For the record, I wrote: isn't that about to go through huge tax reform? 40% over 24k?

Calm down a little bit, there, will you? I clearly framed it that I wasn't sure, but it was what I heard.

Jesus. Dramatic much?

[specialsubject]

I thought that was measured. Facts aren't rude.

Sorry, I am intolerant of fools unable to understand evidence and reasoning. Example - Thousands of people work and study in Australia and nz which are not in the EU. Some get residency if they have useful skills.

I know this is mn and so all remainers are perfect, but come on. Use it before it falls out of your ears, people.

[senzaparole03]

That's interesting, as it was pointed out by me and others your facts weren't facts at all.