AIBU to think that Corbyn was strong, intelligent and likeable?

[deeedeee]

Have you changed your mind about him?

[deeedeee]

I'm actually in Scotland and pro independence and voting green!

[BakewellSliceAgain]

Well he puts me off and imo undermines Kezia Dugdale's attempts at coherence on indyref. However he will pull in some leftist SNP voters.

[BakewellSliceAgain]

So you are not joining the Jezza Juggernaut?!

[BakewellSliceAgain]

X posting!

[deeedeee]

but I am fascinated by Jeremy Corbyn, and how the media can persuade people that a likeable, articulate, principled, experienced and intelligent man is a bumbling, terrorist supporting hypocrite. It's Orwellian.

[deeedeee]

I would definitely vote Labour if I was in England or Wales.

[BakewellSliceAgain]

McDonnell has certainly got the makings of a Napoleon!

[BakewellSliceAgain]

Does Harvie impress you?

[deeedeee]

Harvie does impress me. So does Sturgeon. So does Corbyn .

but more to the point, the Scottish Green Party's policies most tally with my own opinions, and in the constituency that I am in there is no need for tactical voting to prevent the Tories winning so I can vote what I believe. If I lived in an area that needed me to tactically vote, then I wouldn't hesitate.

[Two4One2017]

What is the Labour policy on Scottish independence? Corbyn says he will open discussions with the SNP whereas Scottish Labour says they will oppose independence.

Seems he's cosying up to Sturgeon so they can form a coalition in government? The price of that is Scottish Independence.

I'm not in Scotland so can any Scots clear this up for me?

[BakewellSliceAgain]

I am not sure!

This is why the Tory vote in Scotland may still surprise onlookers down south. They are the forlorn hope of those wishing to retain the union!

[Dawnedlightly]

I've always liked him and so relieved he's finally coming across well. There's still time to campaign and get the vote out! TM is looking wobblier and weaker by the day...

[deeedeee]

The scottish electorate seems to me to be pretty much equally split over the issue of independence.

Given that, it seems to me that Labour in scotland can't decide whether it would be more popular to support the another referendum, or to oppose it.

In the last general election Labour lost many of their voters up here to the SNP because they were seen as siding with the Tories in the last referendum.

In the recent council elections they lost more of their voters to the Tories because they were seen to be not opposing a referendum strongly enough.

So seems as if they are stuck in the middle .

[Onthehighseas]

He's giving a car crash of an interview on R4 right now. He couldnt give some figures and tried to log in to his ipad to get them. He sounded completely flustered.

[MaidOfStars]

I'm a Labour Party member who voted for JC in both leadership elections.

I have become increasingly smug about the U-turns my friends are making. Last year, I was responsible for the death of British politics; now, not so much.

Theresa May's inability to answer a question goes beyond normal 'spin' into something more like mocking/sneering/insulting the premise of government. I honestly have no sense of what she actually believes in. Because anytime she was asked, she talked about Brexit. It's an insult to those who are trying to navigate their way to a vote.

JC, I'm not going to argue he should be universally loved, but at least he answers. Part of his media problem is once he's answered, he doesn't feel the need to keep repeating that answer.

Oh, except the IRA thing. He has repeatedly condemned their violence. On the TV. Over and over. God knows what people want.

[MaidOfStars]

He's giving a car crash of an interview on R4 right now. He couldnt give some figures and tried to log in to his ipad to get them. He sounded completely flustered
So you'd rather he gave an inaccurate response?

Are we so hypnotised by slick, West Wing, scripted politics that when someone tries to actually discuss accurate numbers, and rather typically gets the usual 'I'm going to throw this bloody thing through a window in a minute' shutdown/update/what the fuck is my passcode again?, that we think this is bad bad shit that makes him totally incompetent?

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

What is the Labour policy on Scottish independence? Corbyn says he will open discussions with the SNP whereas Scottish Labour says they will oppose independence.

The official line is to oppose it.

If I was Kezia Dugdale I would be absolutely fuming this morning.

[MaidOfStars]

And because I'm all about balance...

One premise that caught my interest was Paxman asserting that the 'consensus politics' JC is promoting means he's compromised on issues he apparently has strong, moral feelings about. Trident etc. Is that a desirable feature? Or a necessary one? I'm pondering.

[Onthehighseas]

I'd rather he knew the key figures in advance of an interview. Its not about being slick, it is about being informed. I'm not remotely interested in scripted politics, but it is important to come across as authoritative and knowledgeable if you want to win votes. It was cringeworthy listening. And btw I havent decided which way to vote, so am giving a neutral opinion.

[MaidOfStars]

Time to go back to pen and paper...

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

MaidOfStars I think I could see the point Paxman was trying to make. I think it was that the 'principled man always stands by his views' line but doesn't.

Andrew Neil may have made the point better though. Paxman was awful.

[JanetBrown2015]

I have always respected him as a person and criticism of his is very unfair (as it is of May at times). I want the Tories to win.

I just heard the start of Jeremy Corbyn on Woman's Hour and they said he would be on MN later today too. I had to turn it off as there was a big silence when he was asked what 30 hours free childcare for 2 - 4 year olds would cost. I cannot understand if you go on woman's hour you would not have been grilled for hours and hours given recent issues over not knowing figures, on the figures again and again and again so all of them trip lightly off your tongue in seconds.

Also he was asked why childcare was a woman's issue and instead of saying both parents arrnage it (as indeed always happened in my marriage) he said it was a society issue etc etc. not once did he say fathers need to arrange childcare! Typical 68 year old man.

[Bluntness100]

Bluntness you are funny. A Tory complainig about millionaires. Really-is that all you've got. Talk about desperate

Honestly and genuinely I don't think any Tory supporter is desperate in this ge. I really don't. as for the fact corbyn is a millionaire the difference is the tories are quite open about whatever wealth some of them may have, when they are wealthy they do not deny it like corbyn. That's the key difference. It's disingenuous. For him to say people on over eight grand are rich but he is not, I don't know how anyone can think that's ok.

[LakieLady]

I'm enjoying the shift in the public perception of Corbyn. Sadly, I think he's peaked too early and I'm anticipating a torrent of "Corbyn eats babies for breakfast" type stuff from the Sun and the Mail in the next 10 days.

I'm not bothered by him being a millionaire. It's not difficult to be a millionaire when you bought a house in London yonks ago and have a salary of £120k + and the pension pot that goes with that. That salary is what you get for being an MP (£70k or so) and leader of the opposition (£50k+).

At least he's never milked his expenses. The year they all got caught out for house-flipping, moat cleaning and duck houses, he only claimed a few quid for a printer cartridge.

I'm a half-millionaire ffs, and I've never earned much over the average wage, that's just my house and my (modest) pension lump sum, which I got last year.