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AIBU?

about who should pay for breakage?

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thefairyfellersmasterstroke · 13/03/2017 19:27

It's teenagers...

DS (17) at a houseparty on Saturday with GF (also 17), at Friend1's house. Friends 1 & 2 are both 18. There was a bit of alcohol involved. DS and GF were in Friend1's bedroom (what they were or weren't doing is not the issue) and as the door apparently doesn't close properly, DS had propped a chair behind it. Friends 1 & 2 decided to invade the bedroom for a laugh, and started trying to push the door open. DS pushed back, but they pushed even harder. DS then put a couple of other things against the door to stop them, including a rolled-up rug. Lots of hysterical shoving back and forth until Friend2 decided to try to punch the door open, but when he did, his fist went right through it.

This seemed to sober them all up, and DS started hurriedly removing the things he'd put behind the door so they could assess the full damage. He propped the rug up again where he had found it , but when the door was opened the rug slipped sideways, knocking the TV over and cracking the top corner. It still works, but the display is badly lined. DS doesn't think he is 100% to blame, but said he will pay for a new TV, which Friend1 has said will cost £350.

DS had no intention of telling me or DH about all this, only he had a bit of trouble making the bank transfer to Friend1 and asked for help, which is how I found out. I would not let him make the payment straight away, as in my opinion there are a few other factors to consider first, such as whether the household insurance will cover accidental damage, whether it can be repaired rather than replaced, and whether DS should cover the full cost himself. He wants to, as he doesn't want his friend to be without his TV, and feels he's an adult and is doing the responsible thing but I dont think just handing over £350 without hesitation is the solution.

I don't want to teach him to shirk his responsibilities, but I also don't want him to automatically shoulder the burden of paying without it being clear how much that should be.

Friend1's mother was possibly away on holiday at the time (she definitely is now); her boyfriend may or may not have been present - DS didn't see either of them at all on the night this happened. No-one seems to be bothered about the hole in the door, just the TV. I collected the TV today and took it to a repair shop to get their opinion and estimate, which I'll receive tomorrow, but I'm not sure that DS should be paying for all of this himself.

AIBU, or should I just let my DS pay up for a new TV, and think he's done the grown-up thing? He thinks I'm being VERY unreasonable.

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Falafelings · 13/03/2017 20:03

He sounds like a nice boy!

Your son is responsible for the telly. Best see if can just be mended. The other boy is responsible for the door

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Spam88 · 13/03/2017 20:04

I actually think that the friend who invited him round should pay. I'd never expect a guest to pay for something they broke in my house even if it was due to them being an idiot.

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thefairyfellersmasterstroke · 13/03/2017 20:04

I can't believe you are hiding behind the lack of parental supervision for a 17 year old!

Not hiding at all! Being 17 doesn't mean you have the wisdom to cope with everything that happens to you, and in some cases you need someone with maturity to help you along. In DS's social circle there is almost always at least one parent around at parties, and they do intervene when required.

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Trifleorbust · 13/03/2017 20:04

Did he ask permission to lock himself in the room?

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StarryIllusion · 13/03/2017 20:04

He ought to pay for the TV, and friend 2 for the door, not the insurance, why the fuck should they have to make a claim on their insurance when it was entirely down to your son and his friends messing about where they oughtn't have been. Your son is to be commended on his morals though as he immediately set about attempting to make right the situation.

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GreenPeppers · 13/03/2017 20:04

i have to say, I certainly wouldn't hand over £350 just like this.
First because the TV might be repaired. Second because the TV wasn't new and third because I would much prefer buying a TBH myself and find the best orice possible rather than relying on the 'owner' that the price is xxx.

I also think they were all involved in the mess, the door and the TV, incl the owner of the TV.

I'm getting the feeling that the issue here is that Friend1 wants a TV that will probably not be replaced seein the circumstances whereas the door will so it won't matter as much to him.

I'd like to know what the parents think too.

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GrumpyOldBag · 13/03/2017 20:05

You sound like a great Mum and your ds sounds like a lovely lad.

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LucklessMonster · 13/03/2017 20:06

Not hiding at all! Being 17 doesn't mean you have the wisdom to cope with everything that happens to you,

But he DID cope and made a thoughtful choice. Hmm He came to the decision that he was responsible and should therefore pay for his actions. Why are you sticking your oar in?

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pengymum · 13/03/2017 20:06

I'd suggest paying for replacement tv & repairing door costs split between those horsing about. Can probably get a replacement tv for less than a brand new one (though can sometimes get a good deals! Look on HotUKDeals.com website for bargain offers!) I'd shop around first before coming to any final agreement.

Friend should be put in same position as before not 'profit' by getting a new tv out of it! £350 will buy you a lot of tv these days!

And I'd expect the same if I was at the other end of the situation. I.e. Not expect a brand new tv just replacement with similar make/age if it's cheaper. Or I'd accept cost of replacement and add to it myself for a new model.

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MadamePomfrey · 13/03/2017 20:07

Good idea to check re repairs who's responsible is hard the door breaking is the fault of the two out side but the TV he moved the rug in the first place and he put it back so I would say the TV is mainly on him I'm afraid although as they were all being silly splitting it would be nice!! Don't think it's fair to go through the insurance personally not the homeowners fault unless she ok'd a unsupervised house party??

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GreenPeppers · 13/03/2017 20:07

Interesting conversation on this thread about not using the content insurrance.
Any other thread I have seen on here when something gets damaged, incl phones etc.., the first answer is
What is the insurrance? The person should claim on it, that's what they are for.

If there is an excess to pay to repair the door and change the TV, then I believe friend2 and the ds should pay.
I also wonder, would insurrance replace like for like the TV or say 'this TV was xx years old, we will give £YY for it' like they do for a car?

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SandyDenny · 13/03/2017 20:09

Whatever the final outcome I think you are right to call a pause while the options are investigated.

I agree with the poster who questioned the amount, where has that come from? It sounds a lot for a bedroom TV. You might be able to get a better deal buying one yourself and doing proper shopping around.

I dont think insurance is the answer for a relatively small amount and I want to speak to the friends parent first

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TheMysteriousJackelope · 13/03/2017 20:12

The TV wasn't broken during the messing around, it broke because your DS let something fall against it after the messing around had finished. He put the rug where it originally was so it's possible it would have slipped and broken the TV at some point but then again he may not have put it exactly how it was balanced before so it is his responsibility.

Your DS should pay for the repair if that is cheaper than replacement.

Claiming on the insurance means the homeowners' may have a higher premium next year. That doesn't seem fair.

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Kiroro · 13/03/2017 20:13

Your son should pay.

He was somewhere, he had no right or permission to be.

Having sex in someone elses bed

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kali110 · 13/03/2017 20:17

Agree with LucklessMonster that it's shame your son was doing the right thing and now you're trying to get out of it.
If he hadn't of baricaded his friends door this wouldn't have happened.

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BadTasteFlump · 13/03/2017 20:18

It's all well and good your son taking responsibility but that doesn't mean he should be taken for a mug - they were all involved in the various breakages.

But I think in that situation, as the homeowner I would be claiming on my insurance and hoping the other parents involved would cough up some of the excess. Presumably they allowed a load of teenagers to have an unsupervised party so they must have known there was a risk of it getting out of hand - which is why I would never allow it in the first place - it's completely nuts.

A friend of mine allowed her teen DD to do similar and came home at the end. Everything seemed reasonably tidy until she went up to bed, pulled back her duvet and found a huge pile of sick and two used condoms Shock

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Nocabbageinmyeye · 13/03/2017 20:21

Your ds should absolutely pay for the TV, either repair or replacement but if its replacement I would be offering a same size, same spec one that you buy not just accepting his word for what they paid for it

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KungFuEric · 13/03/2017 20:23

Your son is to blame for the damage, he should take responsibility.

He had no right to lock himself into his hosts private bedroom, and refuse entry, much less barricading the door to cause such extreme damage. If he wanted a shag that badly then he can do that at his home or his girlfriends.

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MidniteScribbler · 13/03/2017 20:23

Of course he should pay! He pays for TV, friend who punched the wall pays for door. Stop pissing around, find out how much it costs to repair/replace, then have him pay for it. So sick of parents trying to get their precious little darlings out of trouble. He fucked up, and that comes at a cost.

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Cleanermaidcook · 13/03/2017 20:26

Yes dd should pay for the tv, either for repair or replacement.
If the occupants claim on their insurance even if you pay the excess their premium will increase next year because of this and that's just not fair so yes your son should pay.
The other friend should pay for the door.
Your son made bad choices that night - he should have been downstairs at the party not holed up in a bedroom denying access to the houses occupant and seems to realise this and is willing to pay - good on him for taking the responsibility - you need to let him.

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thefairyfellersmasterstroke · 13/03/2017 20:26

DS has just come home and I've now found out that Friend1's mother has no insurance so that's no longer an option.

Friend2 has agreed he is partly to blame for the accident but is refusing to pay for anything, not even the door, and GF has offered her life savings of £30.

DS still wants to give his friend £350, but I'm still trying to persuade him to wait and see what the repair assessment is. I'm glad that he's happy to take responsibility and pay his share, but we want him to understand that that share must be fair. I'm also a bit like GreenPeppers, in that if it comes to a new TV, I would rather DS buys it for them than hands them the money to get one.

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Kiroro · 13/03/2017 20:28

To be fair, your son, GF and Friend 1 and Friend 2 shoudl all pay 1/4 of the costs of the damage as they were all involved in the stupidity.

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Trifleorbust · 13/03/2017 20:30

GF has offered her life savings of £30.

Bit snide, that comment!

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TheWitTank · 13/03/2017 20:31

If a repair isn't a viable option then just buy another tv -same model/size. No need to be handing over cash.

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KungFuEric · 13/03/2017 20:31

How is the host part of the stupidity for wanting to gain access to his bedroom? On what planet is it okay to lock someone out of access of their own home?

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