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AIBU?

about who should pay for breakage?

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thefairyfellersmasterstroke · 13/03/2017 19:27

It's teenagers...

DS (17) at a houseparty on Saturday with GF (also 17), at Friend1's house. Friends 1 & 2 are both 18. There was a bit of alcohol involved. DS and GF were in Friend1's bedroom (what they were or weren't doing is not the issue) and as the door apparently doesn't close properly, DS had propped a chair behind it. Friends 1 & 2 decided to invade the bedroom for a laugh, and started trying to push the door open. DS pushed back, but they pushed even harder. DS then put a couple of other things against the door to stop them, including a rolled-up rug. Lots of hysterical shoving back and forth until Friend2 decided to try to punch the door open, but when he did, his fist went right through it.

This seemed to sober them all up, and DS started hurriedly removing the things he'd put behind the door so they could assess the full damage. He propped the rug up again where he had found it , but when the door was opened the rug slipped sideways, knocking the TV over and cracking the top corner. It still works, but the display is badly lined. DS doesn't think he is 100% to blame, but said he will pay for a new TV, which Friend1 has said will cost £350.

DS had no intention of telling me or DH about all this, only he had a bit of trouble making the bank transfer to Friend1 and asked for help, which is how I found out. I would not let him make the payment straight away, as in my opinion there are a few other factors to consider first, such as whether the household insurance will cover accidental damage, whether it can be repaired rather than replaced, and whether DS should cover the full cost himself. He wants to, as he doesn't want his friend to be without his TV, and feels he's an adult and is doing the responsible thing but I dont think just handing over £350 without hesitation is the solution.

I don't want to teach him to shirk his responsibilities, but I also don't want him to automatically shoulder the burden of paying without it being clear how much that should be.

Friend1's mother was possibly away on holiday at the time (she definitely is now); her boyfriend may or may not have been present - DS didn't see either of them at all on the night this happened. No-one seems to be bothered about the hole in the door, just the TV. I collected the TV today and took it to a repair shop to get their opinion and estimate, which I'll receive tomorrow, but I'm not sure that DS should be paying for all of this himself.

AIBU, or should I just let my DS pay up for a new TV, and think he's done the grown-up thing? He thinks I'm being VERY unreasonable.

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PinkSlipperQueen · 16/03/2017 12:17

OP your son sounds very responsible to offer to pay (apart from the messing around Wink) i think the cost should be divide by all involved though. Why should the parents have to claim it on their insurance at their cost?

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notcreative23 · 16/03/2017 09:01

I definitely think your DS should be paying part of the money for the replacement TV. However unless it's a large TV that was brand new £350 sounds ridiculous. Sounds like his friend is trying to use your DS to get a better TV.
Value of items decrease over time so even if he had paid £350 for it, it isn't worth that now. Get him a secondhand TV and say they can split the cost.

Also no one just goes up to someone else's room to be intimate without their permission. Friend 1 and 2 were being completely inappropriate with trying to barge in. Presumably friends provided the alcohol and they also instigated the incident so all parties should be considered responsible.

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movpov · 16/03/2017 08:44

Your son is trying to do the right thing and take responsibility so i don't agree you should have stopped him from making the transfer although it would be good if everyone chipped in. The parents should not have to claim on their insurance and potentially see their premiums rise, and you have no business taking an item from someone else's house for a repair estimate without their knowledge. Someone mentioned getting a cheap second hand replacement - any replacement should be like for like

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Lunar1 · 16/03/2017 08:17

Your son is right to want to pay, I don't know why you are so involved. He shouldn't have barricaded himself in someone else's house.

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LolaTheDarkdestroyer · 16/03/2017 08:10

Your son should pay! And you shouldn't have stuck your beak in when he was doing the right thing. It wasn't his place to be pushing shit against doors and he should have a bit more respect then to be having sex in someone flaws bedroom TBH.

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IamFriedSpam · 16/03/2017 07:30

Yeah I'd be fuming that my legal age son was having sex with his legal age girlfriend. Get that chastity belt on him OP. Grin

Absolutely the TV should be replaced with an equivalent one. If that one is second hand it's your son's job to find and buy the second hand one, or to sort out repairs.

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springflowers11 · 16/03/2017 07:20

The op is not going to be able to claim on her insurance because 1) punching through a door is what precipitated the damage.That is not accidental damage
2) you cannot claim for criminal damage in your home done by invited guests
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NinjaPosse · 15/03/2017 10:34

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CouldntMakeThisShitUp · 15/03/2017 10:18

how about only paying 50% towards the cost and friend1 can cough up the other half? considering HE was in 'charge' and instigated/involved in the fooling about?

i think you're mad to be paying in full.

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onthettcbus · 15/03/2017 09:13

I bought a 40inch Samsung curved smart tv for £370 pound from Argos about two years ago; so I think unless it is a similar model then the friend is taking the piss and is looking for a profit! What size is the screen?

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springflowers11 · 15/03/2017 08:43

IA A friend's 15 yr old had a house party which caused £73k worth of damage to the house and the insurance would not pay out a penny.

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Emboo19 · 15/03/2017 07:45

under adult supervision
Surely defined as a over 18? Which two of his friends were. Also presumably one or both of the over 18's purchased the alcohol and then allowed the 17 year olds to drink.
You could argue it was the adult who's home it actually was, who was more at fault! What's he doing encouraging under age drinking and then trying to spy on his mate having sex, when he said he could use his room.

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SansComic · 15/03/2017 00:14

It is not illegal for a 17 year old to be drinking in a private home.

It is.

It isn't illegal for anyone over the age of 5 to have a drink at home under adult supervision.

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Bananamama1213 · 14/03/2017 20:48

I'd love to know what type the tv is for it to be £350 new!

We have a 32" that I paid £175 for, 3 years ago!

If he really wants to replace it then I wouldn't let him buy a new one. You can pick them up cheap enough second hand and there's nothing wrong with them.

If it's the same size, then what's the big deal!

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kali110 · 14/03/2017 20:38

I don't know why people people keep saying £350 is expensive tv to have in the bedroom either, people are different.
Just because others may think it's too much, doesn't mean he should be inconvenienced.

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jay55 · 14/03/2017 17:25

It is not illegal for a 17 year old to be drinking in a private home.

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SansComic · 14/03/2017 17:16

Get that chastity belt on him OP

No. Don't. Let him fuck his teenage girlfriend, drink illegally and damage his friend's parent's property.

You're definitely winning at parenting on this thread!

It's unsurprising that you can't get the screen repaired as it's the major cost and component of TVs, computer monitors etc.

Why are you running around? Your son has shown himself (worryingly) to be the more morally sound and driven person here. I think it's time to step back and let him continue.

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Etymology23 · 14/03/2017 16:52

I'd imagine features such as access to apps, no HDMI ports, full HD etc will be much more imp to the teen than the exact brand. Though I am not a teen, so I may not know some key brand "fact".

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DickToPhone · 14/03/2017 15:58

what model is it? You really don't need to replace with the exact same model, a similar or better one would be fine.

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thefairyfellersmasterstroke · 14/03/2017 15:58

Well, the TV cannot be repaired, so am off to collect it, then try to find if the same model is available anywhere.

Get that chastity belt on him OP. Grin

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AlmaMartyr · 14/03/2017 13:14

If someone barricaded themselves in my bedroom at a party to shag their partner and broke something in there by messing around, I would 100% expect them to replace it. I would be furious if I had to claim on my insurance etc to get it fixed. Door damage is a bit different, and is probably down to them all.

£350 does seem a lot though and I would expect your son to purchase it himself and hand it over rather than just blindly handing over that amount of money.

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DickToPhone · 14/03/2017 13:05

"When my camera was broken and replaced by the contents insurance, there's no way I'd have accepted second hand and why should they."

A camera is slightly different as they are prone to dirt ingress and other issues from being carried around by people.

If I have a 10-year-old Mercedes that cost £70k but is now worth around £5k, then you'd have to be a daft cunt to think that in the event of an accident you'd get a brand new one!

Same applies with a TV - a new TV is going to be better than one that's a few years old.

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ofudginghell · 14/03/2017 10:14

I have a at times clumsy 18 year old aswell that's loose with money. 😳
We too are trying to teach him jot to spend it or fritter it so easily as he has the same outlook of it.
Can't save ever as he has no self control but he's learning now.
Your son offering to pay for the tv right away is a really good sign that he accepts even though it's accidental,accidents do happen.

And I would possibly have done the same as you regarding taking it to a repair shop first before handing over £350!!
Sounds like a lot of money for a bedroom tv.
My sons tv is a smart tv 32 inch and was about £200.

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user1471517900 · 14/03/2017 10:03

Yeah I'd be fuming that my legal age son was having sex with his legal age girlfriend. Get that chastity belt on him OP.

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EeyoreNeededMedication · 14/03/2017 05:28

Unless the broken TV is brand new you shouldn't replace with a new one, but with a used one.

An identical one as the friend shouldn't be inconvenienced by the OP's son's behaviour.

When my camera was broken and replaced by the contents insurance, there's no way I'd have accepted second hand and why should they.

Having said that, I'd be making sure the friend wasn't going to keep the cash balance and buy something cheap from the free ads.

I would be questioning my 17 year old shagging his girlfriend and illegally drinking though.

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