To think Alice in Wonderland is actually really shit.

[HomerSimpsonsStubble]

Not EU related but maybe just as controversial.

I've started reading it to my 4 year old recently and have come to realise it's just a load of waffling and rambling thoughts of an obviously high/drunk person.

I wonder if something like it, written the way it is, would get published today...I don't think it's anything special.

No wonder the film was changed so much.

(I did really enjoy LOTR though and have read it 3 times)

[KittiesInsane]

I'm getting a bit twitchy here at the use of the word 'repressed' as if it's a pejorative term.

If someone is sexually attracted to young children, it's surely good that they repress that urge; indeed it's the only decent and legal thing to do.

Savile raped children. That's not in the same ballpark as being rather odd about their photos.

[FaFoutis]

Niki
W. T. Stead
Pall Mall Gazette 'Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon'

[RobinsAreTerritorialFuckers]

niki, am I misunderstanding you? The bit in bold isn't me claiming anything - I'm quoting, from this thread.

[PerspicaciaTick]

WTF is a "creepy 'peter pan' vibe"?

[DiscordiaVanDiemen]

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass are my two favourite books.
I haven't seen the new Tim Burton film (and won't) but I went to see the first one and it was the biggest cinematic disappointment I've ever had.
I hated almost everything about it. I knew I'd loathe such an old actress playing Alice, but I'd expected the rest of it to be excellent.
I absolutely love Lewis Carroll though.

[Okay377]

YABVU! Lord of the Rings is dull as. Alice In Wonderland is fabulous. Do you think perhaps people have different tastes in books?

[OhSoggyBiscuit]

I read Alice In Wonderland as a 11 year old and enjoyed it. I liked the original Disney animation.

[bialystockandbloom]

Of all the years I've been on MN and all the AIBU threads I've seen, this is the most vehement a YABU I've ever given OP!

[AllegraWho]

Do you think perhaps people have different tastes in books?

No! Really? Shouldn't be allowed!

[BusStopBetty]

I do not like Alice in Wonderland. Never have done. Always found it rather creepy and unpleasant.

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

My 6yo loved it and demanded Alice Through The Looking Glass next. I never saw the point of it before but I think maybe you just have to have the same sense of humour as the author. Didn't find it particularly waffly compared to Humphrey the bloody classroom hamster which is what he is reading now.

[londonrach]

Yanbu..its a very strange story.

[Porcupinetree]

YANBU!

Awful book, awful film.

[exampanic]

probably only book that I read in in my childhood I really did not like.

[Tanith]

DS loved the books - he is mathematical, logical, almost certainly on the AS spectrum and is an excellent chess player.

LC was a mathematics lecturer and "The Annotated Alice" explains all the logic and mathematical puzzles in the books.

[DotForShort]

YCNBMU (you could not be more unreasonable)!

The Alice books are works of pure genius. Lewis Carroll created a brilliant nonsense world that is fascinating in its own right and simultaneously reveals a great deal about the real world (as all good fantasy/alternate reality/dystopian literature does). His parodies of convention, both literary and social, remain unmatched. He also had some remarkable insights into the experience of childhood.

Dodgson was, of course, a product of his time. While we might feel uncomfortable knowing about his "child friends," his early biographers actually claimed that some of these girls were younger than they were in reality. To Victorian eyes, for an unmarried man to have friendships with girls in their teens was considered somewhat shocking and scandalous, whereas spending time with younger children did not raise the same concerns.

[HomerSimpsonsStubble]

I'm glad many of you agree!

We've not read it today. I have a headache and reading someone else's ramblings will probably turn it into a migraine.

[janethegirl2]

YANBU Alice in wonderland is a sick fantasy IMO. LOTR, whilst it isn't everyone's cup of tea, is much superior.

[EdmundCleverClogs]

PerspicaciaTick, the creepy 'Peter Pan vibes' is an allusion to the author of said story, whom allegedly had a possibly unhealthy interest in their subject matter.

[bibitybopityboo]

I was reading your thread but then you said that Dickens doesn't waffle which is complete bollocks and so I'm not bothering reading any more.

[PerspicaciaTick]

I think that J M Barrie's relationship with the Llewyln Davies boys was complicated, but that doesn't mean it was sexual. I don't know who alleged that the relationship was unhealthy, but it doesn't appear to have come from any of the boys or anyone connected to the families.

[IonaNE]

It takes a linguist to appreciate Alice.

[corythatwas]

I am a linguist, Iona; I still find it unpleasant.

[Tanith]

It takes a logician to fully understand and appreciate it.

[Ankleswingers]

YANBU at all OP. Didn't like it as a child or as an adult.