To think Alice in Wonderland is actually really shit.

[HomerSimpsonsStubble]

Not EU related but maybe just as controversial.

I've started reading it to my 4 year old recently and have come to realise it's just a load of waffling and rambling thoughts of an obviously high/drunk person.

I wonder if something like it, written the way it is, would get published today...I don't think it's anything special.

No wonder the film was changed so much.

(I did really enjoy LOTR though and have read it 3 times)

[ShelaghTurner]

Tried to show the film to aforementioned daughter and dd1 and they both wandered off after 5 minutes. Never tried again.

[LilySnape]

I watched the Disney film and as much as i liked the characters i thought it was soo boring with no actual storyline and just as i was trying to get my head around it it finished shortest film ever. Might give the book a go

[ShelaghTurner]

I hate it too. And when I gave my daughter the name every bugger said "ooh lots of Alice in Wonderland things for her then"'and I though oh shit! Hadnt occurred to me.

[albertcampionscat]

Oh my ears and whiskers yabvu.

[Lulooo]

It's shite. So glad someone else said it too.

[barkingfly]

Couldn't be wronger, actually.

[TheStoic]

YANBU. Didn't like it as a child, and still don't like it now.

[amarmai]

Naked photos of Alice
Daily long secret letters to Alice
Marriage proposal to 11 year old Alice
Photo of Alice standing on tiptoe ,arms around his neck, kissing him
Her family breaking contact with him
His family destroying parts of his diary. correspondence , written remains and refusing to allow researchers to work with the until the last remaining membr of the family caves in. And researchers come to the conclusion that he was a pedo

[Shouldwestayorshouldwegonow]

To add my ds now 26 loved it and he works in finance and is excellent at chess. Interesting

[Shouldwestayorshouldwegonow]

Tanith

Your post is very interesting though. So there's more to it than meets the eye. Glad your ds loves it.

[Shouldwestayorshouldwegonow]

What makes me laugh is it's a dream?

Kids were warned to an inch of their lives that to write an essay in GCSE and end its a dream are immediately marked down.

[HomerSimpsonsStubble]

"It takes a linguist to appreciate Alice."
"It takes a logician to fully understand and appreciate it."

Ooh, so that explains it. I'm obviously too thick for it

[Ankleswingers]

YANBU at all OP. Didn't like it as a child or as an adult.

[Tanith]

It takes a logician to fully understand and appreciate it.

[corythatwas]

I am a linguist, Iona; I still find it unpleasant.

[IonaNE]

It takes a linguist to appreciate Alice.

[PerspicaciaTick]

I think that J M Barrie's relationship with the Llewyln Davies boys was complicated, but that doesn't mean it was sexual. I don't know who alleged that the relationship was unhealthy, but it doesn't appear to have come from any of the boys or anyone connected to the families.

[bibitybopityboo]

I was reading your thread but then you said that Dickens doesn't waffle which is complete bollocks and so I'm not bothering reading any more.

[EdmundCleverClogs]

PerspicaciaTick, the creepy 'Peter Pan vibes' is an allusion to the author of said story, whom allegedly had a possibly unhealthy interest in their subject matter.

[janethegirl2]

YANBU Alice in wonderland is a sick fantasy IMO. LOTR, whilst it isn't everyone's cup of tea, is much superior.

[HomerSimpsonsStubble]

I'm glad many of you agree!

We've not read it today. I have a headache and reading someone else's ramblings will probably turn it into a migraine.

[DotForShort]

YCNBMU (you could not be more unreasonable)!

The Alice books are works of pure genius. Lewis Carroll created a brilliant nonsense world that is fascinating in its own right and simultaneously reveals a great deal about the real world (as all good fantasy/alternate reality/dystopian literature does). His parodies of convention, both literary and social, remain unmatched. He also had some remarkable insights into the experience of childhood.

Dodgson was, of course, a product of his time. While we might feel uncomfortable knowing about his "child friends," his early biographers actually claimed that some of these girls were younger than they were in reality. To Victorian eyes, for an unmarried man to have friendships with girls in their teens was considered somewhat shocking and scandalous, whereas spending time with younger children did not raise the same concerns.

[Tanith]

DS loved the books - he is mathematical, logical, almost certainly on the AS spectrum and is an excellent chess player.

LC was a mathematics lecturer and "The Annotated Alice" explains all the logic and mathematical puzzles in the books.

[exampanic]

probably only book that I read in in my childhood I really did not like.

[Porcupinetree]

YANBU!

Awful book, awful film.