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To have made DD pay for the eggs she ate?

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sailawaywithme · 29/03/2016 02:43

We live overseas and it's very costly to buy English Easter eggs. We splashed out and got all 5 of us a decent sized egg. We also bought 4 regular-sized creme eggs.

Each child had their own large egg and wolfed it down. When I went to get the creme eggs down (from a high shelf) they had all been eaten, despite me expressly telling my daughter (age 8) the day before that she couldn't have them. DD told me she'd eaten them all. Today when I came home from work, mine and my husbands large eggs had been completely eaten. By DD. Again - despite making it very clear that they were not to be. FWIW all the children received massive baskets of candy from relatives.

This is not in isolation - we are having lots of issues with DD being disrespectful and having no respect for other people's things. She has always been a child who pushes boundaries and I find her a real challenge at the best of times.

I emptied her piggy bank and told her that I would be using the money to replace the eggs. She has had an enormous meltdown and DH - as per usual - has rushed to her side, therefore showing her that she can basically do whatever she likes and Daddy will support her.

I know I'm going to get a lot of "you don't have a DD problem, you have a DH problem" responses (with good reason, I suspect) but my question is - was the punishment unreasonable? I really don't think it is, and there's no point even discussing it with DH.

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MiniMover · 29/03/2016 12:51

Sailaway, ignore me if this upsets you but your posts are screaming 'girl with high functioning Aspergers' to me. I have quite a bit of experience with this and so many girls never get a diagnosis because they simply dont present like boys or give off any 'autistic' vibes. It's all very subtle. Being bright, highly strung, set in her ways, slightly rigid, not being socially at ease yet wanting to be social. Impulsive, stroppy, sometimes binge eating. It can leads to anger issues and depression if not recognised. The vast majority of people would never imagine the girl in question is on the spectrum because her difficulties are not those you normally associate with autism. Please consider looking into this as if it does turn out to be HFA it may make both you and her sigh with relief and improve your mother daughter relationship immensely, good luck.

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Lweji · 29/03/2016 13:04

if it does turn out to be HFA it may make both you and her sigh with relief and improve your mother daughter relationship immensely, good luck.

Even if she has HFA, or whatever, a diagnosis won't magically do away with the difficulties. Regardless, I do think the OP needs to find strategies that work with her DD, still dialogue properly with her OH when it comes to dealing with the children, and find ways of maintaining some calm and think through about discipline when her DD plays up.

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Cagliostro · 29/03/2016 13:05

Haven't RTFT but based on OP YANBU at all. It's not really even a punishment, it's a consequence, she took something that wasn't hers and she must replace it. Simple.

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MyFriendsCallMeOh · 29/03/2016 13:07

What does your therapist say about punishment and "excluding" (sending kids to their room and telling them not to speak to you)? It's a very old fashioned idea and never works (kids think they've paid their dues by being punished, it builds resentment, pushes them away in an already difficult situation and you never find out why they did something). Modern parenting says to keep kids closer the more they annoy you or do something wrong. Clearly your daughter is troubled. Building on your relationship and bonding (talking, and especially listening, not so much days out and treats) will probably be the key to this.

Read how to talk so kids will listen. I have a similar child (explosive, manipulative, all consuming) and have just done a parenting course based on this book and others, it's made a huge difference.

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lottielou7 · 29/03/2016 13:09

YANBU - how on earth did she manage to eat all that chocolate and not be sick?!

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MiniMover · 29/03/2016 13:14

Lweji, no, it doesn't make it go away but I can honestly say it dramatically reduced the stress level of both mother and daughter. The mother realised it's not just bad behaviour and defiance and the daughter begins to understand why she often feels so angry and why she sometimes does things that she doesn't even understand herself. It also gives both an understanding of why there's so much anxiety and in this case, it may help the daughter to form a better relationship with her brother when she realises there's a reason he finds some things easier than her.

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ouryve · 29/03/2016 13:16

Not unreasonable at all. It's a pretty fair consequence.

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JeffreySadsacIsUnwell · 29/03/2016 13:46

Oh, I didn't mean for the OP to go back and present options now that punishment has already been meted out - just that's what I would have done in the circs. Having said that, there's no losing face by discussing it and saying "if you consider what I did unfair compared to your actions, what do you think would be fair?". Whilst Egg-gate might be over in deed, it's not over if both the OP and her DD are simmering over it.

Both my DC do tend to lose it; we've been discussing courses of action with DC2’s nursery for a year. This 'deciding for yourself the best way of righting a wrong' is the closest we've come to calming down some of his excessive behaviours. He's very intelligent and knows that bad behaviour as well as good gets rewarded with attention; what we're trying to do is teach him a) empathy so that he understands that good behaviour is so much nicer for everyone else and more rewarding for him in the long-term, and b) take away the attention for the bad behaviour. Sitting down and discussing it calmly in the same way that we might say 'would you like to colour in the dinosaur or the train?' or 'shall we go to the park or the swimming pool today?' neutralises the actions and simply leaves him with a problem to solve. He loves maths, number problems, word searches and logic puzzles, so we try to present his behaviour back to him in terms he understands and appreciates, removing the emotion except as 'a consequence' to be taken into account as part of the puzzle.

I don't think we're perfect by a very long way, this is not a natural way for me to react (I do have to take a deep breath otherwise I'd probably blow my top several times a day Blush). However, at the moment this is the most workable solution we've found, and it gives him back a bit of what he wants and most fears not having, the loss of which has generally caused the situation in the first place: control. And I get that.

It's bloody hard being a child in a world where adults make up the rules. As my DS said to me when he was 2 and I told him "because I'm your mummy", "who made you Mummy anyway? I did not choose you!" - I try to keep remembering that, difficult as it is.

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sailawaywithme · 29/03/2016 14:47

Just to say thanks for the responses. I am at work but shall respond at lunchtime. Many things that have been raised are things we considered - even the HFA. Thanks again

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Carolbetty · 30/03/2016 11:46

No not unreasonable. Also sounds like she's testing how far she can go given that she doesn't appear to have any issue admitting what she's done. Normal impulsive bad behaviour generally includes attempts to hide or deny. Don't hear that in what you've written so assume dd is quite brazen about it. Dh might disagree but shouldn't undermine you. Needs a wake up call. Take the money. She ate what wasn't hers (stole!) she pays.

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Beautifulstorm · 30/03/2016 11:48

Not unreasonable at all! She's clearly not listened to a word you have said, she needs to learn a lesson. At 8 she should know better

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kazlau · 30/03/2016 11:55

Not unreasonable in the slightest. If your DH is this much of an a##e your DD needs your firm discipline!

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sashadasher · 30/03/2016 12:14

YANBU. Children thrive &feel more secure when they have boundaries, your dh isn't doing her any favours.your dd knows difference between right &wrong ,I think that was a suitable punishment. I would still continue and do it and if your dh doesn't like it tell him that he doesn't get the bigger picture, alot wouldnt they just think it's only a bit of choc she could of had mine anyway.Explain It's not simply about the eggs it's about your dd turning into a decent adult with a good moral compass.

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Lpel · 30/03/2016 12:53

Agree with wheresthel1ght

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MalinHebrides · 30/03/2016 13:25

Sounds like you are doing your very best, but it all sounds exhausting, sailaway. Sending you Brew and Cake. HFA was something that def occurred to me too, minimover. Reading OP's account of family life I see v similar differences between my DSS 1&2. My DS1 was finally diagnosed with Aspergers aged 12, which made a huge difference to us all. At last he understood himself - really helped his self-esteem. Of course it's not the whole story to a child's behaviour, but it helped us all to understand where he is coming from.

Re. DH, totally agree on need for a united front. We had problems for years with good cop/ bad cop scenario. Eventually I sat DH husband down and addressed the issue. It really helped diffuse the rigid roles we had both got stuck in. (I didn't 'get' DS1 before his diagnosis, and was sometimes over-critical, so DH would over-compensate in his defence, which I now understand.) DH is much more supportive now, and with that backing I'm able to relax more and not be stuck being bad cop! Have to say our ability to talk over issues like that started with going to marriage counselling together 10 years ago. Best thing we ever did.

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Maisiemay53 · 30/03/2016 13:58

Slightly different but when my son was between 4 and 5 we went into our local village shop. On the way home I noticed he was eating a 'penny chew' which we had not bought. He said that they had lots! I spoke to him about taking things that don't belong to you, paying for things etc etc.I rang the shop and spoke to the owner( we knew him as only a small village). We gathered up the'pennies ' he had in his money box and took them down to the shop and put them into the charity box. The shop keeper was very kind but explained it was wrong not to pay. That son is now 34yrs old and still remembers it and swears it was the best thing to have done and he would certainly do the same with a child of his. Good luck, I also had a challenging daughter and know they can drive you to distraction. Remind your husband that..United we stand........!

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sailawaywithme · 30/03/2016 16:55

Thank you, all of you. My husband and I sat down last night and had a good talk...I actually made him read this thread. MalinHebrides thanks. Yes, your message really resonated.

I am feeling more optimistic and will certainly take some recommendations on board - not least about my own temper and the tone I use in delivering consequences.

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happybee1 · 30/03/2016 17:08

Hi op,
I really sympathise with you. My son, age 10, does this sort of thing all the time. Def look into the HFA, my DS has behavioural issues. He has ODD and CD among problems with attention etc. He is very challenging. Recently, he ate all the prized treats his sister had brought back from a school trip to Spain out of her bedroom. He lost half his Easter egg which was given to his sister. He regularly eats the other children's sweets, confectionery given to them as gifts and even chocolates that they have given me for Mother's Day! It's compulsive behaviour and it has been noted that he doesn't really understand consequence as well as being highly impulsive. Most treats are now locked in our car! And before anyone asks he is very slender! I have 4 children and he is the only one who behaves like this. It sounds to me as if you could do with some help, how does she behave in school? Good luck and no YANBU

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