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WIBU to buy PIL a copy of Marie Kondo and save them £400k?!

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allthatissolidmeltsintoair · 07/01/2016 09:02

Regular but NCed for this. I am prepared to be told I am being unreasonable, and that I need to butt out and mind my own business!!

Apologies for length - I didn't want to drip feed.

Context:

  • PIL (aged 70) currently live in a very well designed 3 bedroom house (it really is lovely). They also own a currently unoccupied 3-bed bungalow, which they don't really like in terms of layout. As this might suggest, they are not without resources financially!
  • FIL has mobility issues, and has refused to have surgery to correct these (he's frightened of the anaesthetic). Sadly, his mobility is now severely impaired, and he will probably need a wheelchair before long. However, the design of the house means there is room to modify it to suit his needs, e.g. stairlifts, large corridors. The bungalow is already set up for a mobility-impaired resident, but requires cosmetic decoration.
  • However, the interior decor of their current house doesn't allow those modifications to be made. Both PIL are hoarders. The house is overly full - there is literally twice as much furniture as will fit, including stuff that simply doesn't work (ancient stereos, uncomfortable collapsed beds etc). Everything is rammed in, and there is no room to move for a person without mobility issues, let alone a wheelchair. However, they really, really struggle to throw things away.
  • MIL is clearly struggling to manage the existing space in terms of maintenance and cleaning (FIL doesn't/can't lift a finger). They are, however, very resistant to getting in help, despite having plenty of money to do so.
  • MIL has become irrationally obsessed with the neighbours because they are simply polite, rather than wanting to be bessie mates with PIL. They say 'hello', but they don't stop to chat. She is incredibly enraged by some plastic cladding that they are putting on their house, and the fact that they don't mow their lawn as regularly as PIL. I am actually quite concerned about this as an overreaction in its own right (she goes purple when talking about them). It's a push-factor in the idea of moving, but I can't imagine future neighbours really wanting to have a closer relationship.


Problem:
  • PIL rang up last night to ask our advice. Rather than downsizing, they want to upsize to a bigger place. In fact, they want to sell their house and buy the bungalow next to GFIL's and knock through to make a 7 bedroom bungalow. The whole reason for doing this rather than simply moving or modifying their existing house is to hang on to all the junk they own.


My concerns:
  • MIL isn't managing the 3 bedroom space she has. AIBU to think that a 7 bedroom space would make this problem even worse, even if there are no stairs?
  • AIBU to think that having more space will increase the tendency to hoard, rather than solving it?
  • AIBU to think that the new space will be really expensive to heat and maintain? The current house is already cold at times because they don't want to put the heating on.
  • The floorplan of this new dwelling would be huge. FIL already has extreme anxiety issues - I think the size if it might raise issues of security in his mind, where he's at one end of the place worrying what is happening at the other.
  • There is no real market for bungalows with more than 4 bedrooms in their area. I'm concerned that should either of them need to move in future, this will make it difficult to sell.
  • I've not seen many knock-through dwellings, but I can imagine that it would be difficult to design a 'happy' architectural solution.
  • Larger and nicer dwellings are on the market for less than the cost of the two bungalows combined (£600k), without the large additional cost (£100k??) of the work of knocking them into one. PIL have form for having building work done that is expensive and doesn't really solve problems. Very recently, they spent £80,000 installing a new utility room which is never used and has become a store for excess glasses and pots and pans that they couldn't bear to throw out.


I should add that DH and myself, and BIL and his partner, are comfortably off and not at all in any need of money. My concern is purely that this is not a practical solution to their circumstances, and is likely to prove another mistake (like the utility room) that doesn't solve the root problems and therefore necessitates a further move in future, to a more suitable place. I'd really like the advice of people, especially if you have relatives who have downsized or upsized at a similar age.

DH is thinking of buying MIL a copy of Marie Kondo's book as a way of raising what we believe to be the real issue here, which is the hoarding. Are we being unreasonable or failing to understand the issues they are facing, though?
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allthatissolidmeltsintoair · 18/01/2016 09:05

Oh, and Flowers for BoffinMum. 3 years of clearing out is no fun at all. You must have had very conflicting emotions about it.

I understand that it's an illness, but I do think that - as with other mental health problems - in these very extreme instances (not my PIL, who thankfully aren't as bad as some of the cases on this thread), the victims of the illness are numerous and go beyond the afflicted person. We all know how difficult it can be to clear out possessions when someone passes, and that is made all the more complicated by this.

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expatinscotland · 18/01/2016 09:15

I'm not a hoarder, but I can't abide smug Kondo fuckwits. K, we get it, you like to tidy and be minimalist. Great. Do that in your own home and spare us all the sanctimonious preaching. I'm sick of Kondo already.

My ILs are hoarders. No idea why. But once they pop their clogs it will all go to BIL who is also a hoarder and stubborn. Not my circus, not my monkeys.

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BoffinMum · 22/01/2016 22:33

Gwen, ironically it was my family who were the refugees and/or bombed out! DH's family barely moved and had a stable life.

Allthatissolid, I appreciated that comment, I think nobody in RL understands quite how exhausting and demoralising this has all been. BIL and SIL are starting to do it now and the cycle begins again.

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Peregrina · 23/01/2016 12:51

I think nobody in RL understands quite how exhausting and demoralising this has all been.

Except those of us who have been there, and have had the first hand frustration and the hours and hours of work. It's so annoying because you know that the Parents/In-Laws lives could be made so much easier, without the vast hoards, but they cannot be made to see it.

I constantly remind DH that his hoarding is storing up work for DS, who is most likely to be the one who ends up with the clearout. This makes me more determined to try to nip his hoarding habits in the bud. E.g. when tidying up papers, think, 'do I need this?' If so, file it properly where you can find it. Not stuff it into a carrier bag, to shove in the garage/shed (both made unusable because of said stuff), to either be forgotten about for 20 years or be the source of a major panic and time wasting hunt when you find that you do need whatever it was.

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