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To have lost my shit with dd2?

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 25/10/2015 21:33

Ok I think I probably was. But I'm exhausted.

Dd2 has zero contact with her father (through a court order). She is 5. I don't have much in the way of support from family or friends. I love the bones of her but find her completely fucking exhausting. Because I'm all she has our relationship is very intense and I find it hard to cope with sometimes.

She can't bear it if I talk to other people, for example if I'm sitting talking to a friend she will physically stand in between us and block the conversation, having to tell me something super urgent about shopkins or something, that apparently can't wait. She does this whenever I try to talk to anyone. Same goes for conversations on the phone, she'll go from not wanting to speak to me to all of a sudden having 1001 urgent things to tell me.

Tonight's particular episode - we have been out all day together doing stuff, she's had my full attention. I start talking about bedtime and she tells me she wants to sleep in my bed. I told her no (because she is a complete pain in the arse to sleep next to), I'm tired and just want a night in my own bed without being kicked etc every thirty seconds. So she goes nuclear at this, which started the next power struggle of trying to get her up the stairs. I went upstairs and asked her to come up, after various threats etc she made it, but after cleaning her teeth she claimed to be incapable of walking the last 2 metres to her room. She wanted me to carry her and I said no because I had a bad back. Cue 5 minutes of her screaming at me, so I told her if she wasn't in her room by the time I counted to 3 she wasn't getting a story. She gave me a defiant look, I counted to three, then put her in bed and turned the light off and left her screaming. She's asleep now but I feel like a shitbag.

It's like this a lot of the time. Endless power games and her trying to dictate what happens. Probably quite normal 5 year old stuff but what's hard is the endlessness of it. She goes to school and I miss her, then I pick her up and within half an hour she's driving me nuts. I am studying so even when she's at school I don't get time to myself. I can't think about having a relationship, partly because I'm depressed and not in the right place, and partly because I hardly ever get any time away from her so it's not logistically possible. I've accepted that's just how it is but bloody hell its hard work doing this 365 days a year.

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RJnomaaaaaargh · 25/10/2015 21:57

Was her dad ever a consistent presence in her life in a way that his loss may have scared her that she could lose you too?

And you're doing just fine.

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IndomitabIe · 25/10/2015 21:59

My DS is like this.

We get tantrums just like the one you describe, followed by ridiculous arguments. I'll say "do you want a kiss & cuddle?" He'll sulk at me and say "no" then when I go to leave we get "I want a caaaaaaaddle" wails. If I go back to him then he'll refuse again. And it continues. He gets one chance now. And he still hasn't learned.

He has, however, got better in time. The tantrums are shorter and he can be back to chirpy after some time to calm down. But I get the guilt too - but going to him and entering into his game/argument only prolongs the trauma.

However, he hasn't had an experience like the 'kidnap' you describe. Maybe your DDs behaviour runs deeper. Not that this means there might be a better way of dealing with it.

Sometimes I tell myself that DS feels safe to behave so disgustingly. I don't know how true it is, but he doesn't do it for other people (nursery, school, grandma, etc).

You're doing ok as far as I can see. Thanks

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redcaryellowcar · 25/10/2015 21:59

There are lots of other very insightful posts, so I'll try not to repeat. All I wanted to say is well done for carrying through on your threats, I think it's so important to do that. If you say no story, you mean no story, tomorrow you might say, 'I really want to read a story with you, let's get ready for bed really quickly so there's plenty of time'

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 25/10/2015 22:00

She was gone for 4 days Ava. I'll never know where she was during that time but she came back with open sores on her bum (nappy rash) so bad that they took 2 months to heal.

Her dad wasn't around much to be honest even when he could see her, and she hasn't seen him at all since the police handed her back over 3.5 years ago. I had to go to court 19 times about access, the kidnapping was obviously significant but there was lots of other stuff.

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 25/10/2015 22:02

Indomitable - Grin she does that ALL the time! Drives me insane.

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BaldHedgehog · 25/10/2015 22:03

OP,sometimes you have to stand firm,you've done nothing wrong.

In years to come she'll remember how much fun she's had with you,not the evening that she was playing up.

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Southwestwhippet · 25/10/2015 22:03

I think you were firm, fair and followed through. Not shit parenting at all.

I think you know my DD can be very similar. It is completely exhausting when you are desperate for just a few mins of 'adult' conversation and you can't get it without constant interruptions.

Hugs and gin xxx

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Youarentkiddingme · 25/10/2015 22:04

You didn't lose your shit - trust me!

If she's generally a child who is demand avoidant have you thought of giving her choices to get her to co operate? Like "pyjamas on first or teeth first?"
Then carry on as before - "DD you've been given your choice of what first, if you do them now you'll have time for a story" then walk away. There needs be no more comment from you.

Very sorry to hear about the kidnapping. I'm sure this affected both of you. I'm sure being firm with DD is hard great you after that - but is in both your best interests tat you are Flowers

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petalsandstars · 25/10/2015 22:06

Sounds typical behaviour of my 4yo too. Knackered from school and tantrumming- testing boundaries too. Following through is good though, it's teaching that you mean what you say. Which will I hope give security long term.

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RJnomaaaaaargh · 25/10/2015 22:08

I've tried to post twice on this thread and not been able to -test

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Bakeoffcake · 25/10/2015 22:09

Gosh you've both been through so much.

I dont think you lost it at all. I think you handled her very well tonight.

Tomorrow morning have a nice cuddle, tell her you love her very much but she has to do as she is told. You gave her a lot of chances and she still wouldn't come to her room so she lost the chance to be a story. She will know you mean what you say and there is more chance she will do as she's told.

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RJnomaaaaaargh · 25/10/2015 22:09

Sorry Blush I missed my last one

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 25/10/2015 22:09

Thanks everyone for all the good advice. It doesn't help that I'm exhausted after today too so was feeling grumpy and snappy. If I'd had more energy I'd probably have taken her hand and walked her to her bedroom rather than locking horns with her, and it would have been a non issue.

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KatieLatie · 25/10/2015 22:09

Sorry, what did you do wrong. Think that you were fantastic and probably more patient than I would have been. You are blooming amazing.

You give Her loads of attention and time, but she needs boundaries too (which you are enforcing) and you are right to do so.

When you feel strong enough, also worth looking to work on her dominating you when you speak to others in person or on the phone. You could be gentle and still put some boundaries in place (like "mummy is talking to x. You can come and have a cuddle whilst I chat, but I need you not to interrupt").

You sound like an amazing mum.

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JiveTalkin · 25/10/2015 22:11

You say you are depressed. Could she be picking up on that in some ways? She sounds a bit anxious. How is she in school or around her peers?

You did handle the bedtime tantrum correctly, but that sounds like a one off. Do you find yourself giving in to her for an easy life?

It is incredibly difficult to deal with a child who is intense like this. My eldest was like this until very recently. She is 7. I have found that since I worked on myself and my depression she has improved.

A lot of it probably is normal kids stuff, but some of it sounds like it is more than that.

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Ineedmorepatience · 25/10/2015 22:13

Tomorrow when things are calm you could say to her "When you didnt get ready for bed last night you made me cross and you ended up missing your story! Tonight when you get ready for bed nicely and quickly we will habe lots of time for a story!"

That way you are reinforcing that you did the right thing by ignoring her but that she can do the right thing in future and have her story!

I have 3 fiesty girls and know how tricky they can be!

Good luck Flowers

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MrsMargoLeadbetter · 25/10/2015 22:13

It doesn't sound bad to me...

My 7 yo DS is a bit like this. We think it is linked to belated jealousy over his sister. We have started "us time" where one of us sits with him and does something he wants before bed. It has made a difference.

I appreciate there is only you (so all the time is 'us time').but the act of telling her you are doing something together might help? Could you do the teeth first, so there are less things to battle over?

We.moved DS' shower to the am to remove the stress from bedtime (thanks to a suggestion to helpful MNtters).

I also think with my DS a lot of his/our issues comes from expectations. He expects y to happen and when x does, it really throw him. Could you talk her through the evening, so it is clear what is happening?

Also, I count to 10 with DS, he generally needs that long to process the thoughts and decide whether or not he is going to comply!

I feel for you. It is not nice when they go to bed on a 'sour' note. And doing it alone must be v difficult - you are doing your best - remember that.Flowers

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unlucky83 · 25/10/2015 22:13

little you didn't do anything wrong - as others have said she is just pushing the boundaries...and found out where one is. Which is not a bad thing. At that age they are finding their personality. If you are finding it really tough I would have a word with HV/School nurse about what support you can get to get a break. And go easy on yourself. (I know with a bad back you couldn't do it but if mine were overtired I would have let them go to sleep in my bed and then carried them to their own bed...)
As for the personality change at 19 months - I wouldn't worry about that too much -it probably had more effect on you and the way you treat her than it did on her.
Both mine went through a stage at around that age anyway of becoming massively clingy. DD1 had been in ft nursery from 3 months and had a wobble at 9 months too but at 18 months we had tears at nursery drop off even though nothing had changed. (Although I did have to go into hospital for a few days a week later and that prolonged it but (thankfully... kind of) she had become clingy before that. DD2 I was a sahm I tried to get her into a nursery for the odd day at around that age but she really wouldn't settle - cried for hours - the nursery gave up, said it was common at that age and to try again in a few weeks (I didn't bother).

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tethersend · 25/10/2015 22:14

Has your DD had any kind of therapy or involvement with professionals at all? Being kidnapped must have been very traumatic for her, and could certainly explain her behaviour now.

It may be worth exploring this, as her behaviour may require a slightly different approach to the one you, or any other prudent parent would use with a securely attached child who has not experienced early trauma.

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knaffedoff · 25/10/2015 22:18

Sorry but I think you did the right thing and my son did similar 4wks ago, he was told consequences of not going to the loo /brushing teeth as asked. He didn't listen and I followed through and he lost storytime - cue lots of tears.

The following day was much better, take heart Biscuit

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LeaLeander · 25/10/2015 22:20

It sounds as though you all could benefit from some sort of professional counseling.

So you have two children by two different fathers -- the younger child is NC with a father who once kidnapped her but the older child has a father who takes her on holiday and is otherwise in her life as Daddy?

I would think that alone would cause some serious issues in the younger child. She must be wondering what's wrong with her that she doesn't have a Daddy to take her out, or why this Daddy doesn't take her on holiday. (Just because the reasons may make sense to an adult doesn't mean a child is remotely capable of understanding them.)

That seems like a very damaging set-up to me. Imagining the sibling issues as well as the issues the younger one is going to have re father figure. I hope you can find some affordable counseling for all of you, and some respite help so that she gets accustomed to being without you from time to time.

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cakedup · 25/10/2015 22:22

Lone parent here. DS is 10 now but was very high maintenance, very clingy and demanding. It's just naturally easier now that he is older, as it probably will be for you. In fact, I am cherishing any of those clingy traits now (for example, he still comes to my bed in the middle of the night) because I know it won't last for much longer!

But god - no, I don't think you lost your shit, and I'm speaking as someone who totally lost their shit a few times. Felt absolutely awful at the time, and sometimes still do...but I'm human, was going through a lot, and there were times I just couldn't cope with it the way I would have liked to.

Don't keep rewinding the scenario in your head, just move forward, she'll be fine and actually, I think it's good for kids to see sometimes that parent's have limits and boundaries.

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 25/10/2015 22:23

I've noticed there is a direct correlation between me feeling cheerful and energetic to how things go between me and dd2. Problem is I just feel knackered all the time at the moment. Not sure how much is depression and how much is the fact that I have a lot to do. I just feel like I'm not doing any of it very well at the moment.

Dd2 being around has totally got in the way of my relationship with dd1, who is now having MH problems herself. We had a very rare evening out a few weeks ago without dd2 and it was so lovely. It all became crystal clear - and it sounds horrible to say but I wished at that moment dd2 had never happened because i know things would be so different with dd1 if she hadn't. Of course I love them both to pieces and I feel awful just writing that, but from the word go dd2 has been so full on, completely the opposite to dd2, and the combination of that and my own MH not being great over the last few years means dd1 has been sidelined, and that's why she has problems now.

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 25/10/2015 22:23

*opposite to dd1 that should say

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ForChina · 25/10/2015 22:25

I'm so sorry for all you've been through. She does sound insecure and although she may not remember the kidnapping she can probably remember a 'fear' that she can't understand - wanting mummy and mummy not being there. Being sore and nobody helping her. When I first read your post I was thinking that she needs stronger boundaries but actually having read the update I think it sounds hugely understandable after all she's been through. She will most likely not understand why she feels as she does but the only way you can get through it is reassurance, which will be exhausting for you.

It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong (I personally don't threaten 'no story' as I think story is important and is a useful, special, relaxing time for us both but that's not to say it's wrong to do so). You're allowed to be human too.

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