To be annoyed the Tory 30 hour free childcare doesn't apply in Scotland!

[RagingJellyBean]

It's just annoying, to be honest.

I don't like the Tories, but if we have to have them the least they could do is throw us a bone up here.

30 hours free childcare when my DD turned 3 would be absolutely fantastic. I could actually afford to live a normal life again, why isn't in Scotland? 15 hours is great, don't get me wrong, but 30 hours would be PERFECT.

HOW ANNOYING!?!?!?!

[TalkinPeace]

Without the Barnett Formula and with oil at under $70 a barrel, Scotland would be bust before the current loan free students graduate.

King Alec's numbers were based on oil at over $110 a barrel and that is not likely to happen again, ever

the SNPs numbers involve kicking the debt can a VERY long way down the road, but stand alone their borrowing costs would soon start to climb

[GinandJag]

It doesn't go away because 10 hours have passed.

[fanjoforthemammaries7850]

Yes indy. I bet the people being the most nasty on this thread were those bitching during the referendum about Scots not paying prescription fees. Total hypocrites.

[fanjoforthemammaries7850]

Let's just call all of England "they" and assume everyone is a Tory. Might as well.

[YetAnotherHelenMumsnet]

Ahem.

[SillyStuffBiting]

You'll need to expand on that 'ahem' Helen.

I'd it the thinly disguised racism that's causing you trouble or something else?

[Hygge]

Thank you to the people who replied about my dentist questions.

I was googling and found something on the NHS National Services Scotland website that said that dental examinations are free but after that, NHS patients who pay for treatment pay 80% of the treatment cost up to a maximum of £384, which is much higher than England's current Band 3 payment, and that this has been decided by the Scottish Government.

I realise this wasn't the point of the thread but it's one of those comments you always see made on threads like this and it's good to know a bit more about it.

[fanjoforthemammaries7850]

Not even disguised racism ( here comes "Scots are not a race")

[mcgiblets]

The SNP have been successful on the back of handouts to the middle classes so I expect they will eventually match the tories on this.

[RunnerHasbeen]

I have a real question, not a nasty, ill informed, comment. With education devolved but benefits still a Westminster/UK issue, is the additional childcare in England covered by education? It seems to be linked/ funded by getting rid of tax credits which affects the whole of the UK. It will appear that the benefits bill goes down and education spending goes up - which makes sense politically.

However, will the equivalent to tax credits be available to the devolved governments? I don't really understand how the funding works for an England only policy when one half of the equation affects everyone in the UK.

[backwardpossom]

So one poster comes on, clearly not understanding how devolution works, to moan about something that affects her, and that's an excuse to call every Scot a scrounger etc?

FFS Mumsnet, why is this allowed to continue again and again?

[HamishBamish]

You voted SNP. You wanted more independence/devo-max. Now deal with it.

No, I didn't. Neither did many Scots. The SNP and their agenda is my worst nightmare.

[YetAnotherHelenMumsnet]

Hi all.
We're going to delete the most egregiously hyperbolic of the characterisations of Scots/Scotland now. It's a tricky call, sometimes, but we'll do our best.
We appreciate that people have different opinions, and do want to express them, but it doesn't much add to the debate to characterise the whole of Scotland as being one entity with one intention, not least because a glance at the voting patterns at the recent election, as well as the current Scottish Parliament, confirms that this has little basis in truth.

[queensansastark]

OP, YABVU. Just that really.

[srogo]

Really? The current Scottish parliament? Surely one of the worst examples in the history of democracy of a country not being a single entity with a single purpose, being what 98% per cent one party. :P

Still the point is completely right - imagine if we all had to be held personally responsible for the stupid, greedy and dishonest actions of our governments - surely a sobering thought for any of us Brits. :\

[SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius]

"You voted SNP. You wanted more independence/devo-max. Now deal with it."

"No, I didn't. Neither did many Scots. The SNP and their agenda is my worst nightmare."

Nor did I, and nor did about 50% of us.

[slippermaiden]

Tuition fees? Prescriptions?

[srogo]

"Nor did I, and nor did about 50% of us."

I hate it when people tell you what you voted and how that makes you responsible for them.

Funnily enough, Bin Laden was once quoted in the papers making a very similar point in reference to "western kuffar" being responsible for the foreign policies of various people - so people who do that are in good company.

[YetAnotherHelenMumsnet]

Think you might be getting your parliaments confused srogo.

[ShakesBootyFlabWobbles]

YAnbu to feel annoyed as this is something that would help you right now.

However YABU to expect Westminster to change something in Scotland that is a devolved issue, no matter which party is in power there.

[PrimalLass]

The current Scottish parliament? Surely one of the worst examples in the history of democracy of a country not being a single entity with a single purpose, being what 98% per cent one party.

How is this 98% one party?

Scottish National Party 64
Scottish Labour 38
Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party 15
Scottish Liberal Democrats 5
Scottish Green Party 2
Independent 3
No Party Affiliation 1
Total number of MSPs 128

[Mrsjayy]

We have devolution you honestly cant expect the same as England and wales thats just ridiculous we didnt have surestart we have few and far between childrens centres that is something the scottish goverment decided not whichever prime minister is in westminster at the time

[ChickenLaVidaLoca]

It is the current Scottish cohort at Westminster who are 90%+ SNP. The Scottish Parliament isn't now (the current MSPs were elected in 2011, when the SNP got a lower percentage of the vote than they've had lately) and it won't be after the next election either. Current SNP support appears to run to just over half the number of votes cast, and as the Scottish Parliament doesn't use FPTP they won't get anything like 90% of the Holyrood seats next year.

So I repeat- there are literally millions of people who didn't vote yes to independence or choose the SNP to represent them at Westminster. A majority of the Scottish population in both elections, in fact. Why have so many people ruled out the possibility that OP might be one of them?

[Mrsjayy]

In some scottish LA you can get free hours for childcare from 2 i think it is or maybe 2.5