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AIBU?

Aibu to be incensed at the lack of coverage of the protests against Israel by the mainstream media?

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runes · 19/07/2014 18:23

Over 100,000 people descend on London to protest against Israel slaughtering the people of Gaza. Where are the reports on the bbc, sky etc?? I'm appalled, not only at the horrendous mass murder of the Palestinian people, but the obviously corrupt and biased pro Israeli media

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runes · 19/07/2014 20:31

www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/

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Andrewofgg · 19/07/2014 20:33

There is no justification for what is currently happening to the Palestinian people.

Except possibly the mortars and rockets aimed at Israeli civilians which Hamas could stop at once.

runes · 19/07/2014 20:48

Andrew There is so much wrong with your post I really don't know where to start. You think the murder of over 300 people, mostly civilian women and children, is a reasonable response to some rockets which the Israeli's Iron Dome Missile Defence is more than fit to handle. Not to mention the fact that Israel are the oppressor who have invaded and illegally occupied the Palestinian land!! Maybe you should educate yourself and/or get some human empathy.

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Andrewofgg · 19/07/2014 21:03

runes

They occupied the West Bank when their enemies were planning to reverse 1948 and the creation of Israel. If they had not they would have been destroyed. That the continuing occupation has been a curse to them I don't deny.

But they evacuated Gaza and look what they got for it. What is a "reasonable" response to the rockets? Just to allow a few people to get killed, a bit of destruction?

If it was any other nation on earth being bombarded as they have been - and the Iron Dome does not stop all the attacks - the world's sympathy would be with them.

Israel is the only democratic state in the region and for that reason it is persistently held to higher standards than its neighbours. But it is not going to let the aggression of Hamas just happen. The aim is not to punish; it is to prevent for the future.

As for murder; when the RAF and the USAAF destroyed the main U-Boot base at Hamburg scores of thousands of civilians died, but it did substantial damage to the U-Boot campaign which could otherwise have won the war for the Nazis. And the British and Americans gave no warnings.

Face it, runes and others: the Israelis are not going to let their state be demolished or dismantled. I need no education or human empathy from you - I stand aghast at what the Israelis have to do, but that's what happens when you use civilian homes and hospitals as cover for rocket launchers aiming weapons at other civilians.

runes · 19/07/2014 21:14

Have to do?? Fuck me. Andrew Did you read the link I posted earlier? That thing is a member of the Israeli government She for one appears to be delighted to do what you claim needs done www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/

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CaptChaos · 19/07/2014 21:28

Ignore it runes

I have no doubt Mr Fogg would have been equally happy if we'd conducted air strikes against civilian targets in NI every time someone let off a bomb? Which is more comparable to the situation. Perhaps a nice bit of ground invasion as well? Israel isn't being held to a higher standard at all, just the same one as us really.

runes · 19/07/2014 21:45

Thanks captain. As an NI citizen it is a chilling thought.

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fluffymouse · 19/07/2014 21:52

First of all Zionist and Jewish are completely separate. There are complex religious reasons why some Jewish people are anti-zionist (which is nothing to do with Israel's current politics).

The BBC is well known for being anti-israel in its coverage, for example the fact that they refuse to report on the Finkel family.

I wish people who are so quick to condemn Israel would read Hamas' manifesto. I challenge anyone to read that and be pro-Hamas.

Israel has offered a ceasefire during this conflict, Hamas declined.

They are firing rockets aimlessly into civilian areas, which is a war crime. The fact that Israeli are all equipped with air raid shelters and have the iron dome defense system is why there have been so few Israeli casualties.

topbanana1 · 19/07/2014 22:00

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

"Since 2001, Palestinian militants have launched thousands of rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip as part of the continuing Arab–Israeli conflict. As of July 2014 the attacks have killed 28 people,[1] mostly civilians, and injured thousands, but their main effect is their creation of widespread psychological trauma and disruption of daily life among the Israeli populace.[2] Medical studies in Sderot, the Israeli city closest to the Gaza Strip, have documented a post-traumatic stress disorder incidence among young children of almost 50%, as well as high rates of depression and miscarriage."

*CaptChaos - I don't think the IRA launched thousands of rockets at the British mainland, aimed at killing as many civilians as possible, over a 13 year period?

I somehow doubt that if it had, the British government would not have taken action to stop those rockets being fired.

Backinthering · 19/07/2014 22:10

Amyway back to media bias... I agree, I was at the Glasgow march today and the main pedestrianised street that runs top to bottom of the city centre, was full. Then we marched to the BBC Scotland offices. Yet they still reported 'hundreds'.

Backinthering · 19/07/2014 22:12

I urge anyone who wants decent in depth coverage to watch/read Al Jazeera.

Viviennemary · 19/07/2014 22:17

The political bias of the BBC is getting very very obvious. Even to people like me.

ScottishInSwitzerland · 19/07/2014 22:24

I found this an interesting statement on gaza - refers to the last 'offensive' but still relevant I think. I'm rubbish at links so it may not work

m.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

On the media bias thing. I think all will have some sort of bias. It's so hard to know what to trust.

What's clear though is the figures and the number of innocent civilians being killed. It's horrific. If I had happened to be born in another country that could be me in gaza. Trying to raise my family in amongst that horror.

DialsMavis · 19/07/2014 22:28

I marched in London today, it was huge! There were Jewish people, Muslim people and many thousands who I have no idea what, if any religion they were. Wanting to express support for children being murdered in cold blood isn't a religious issue.

DialsMavis · 19/07/2014 22:30

Sorry, obviously not express support for children being murdered, quite the opposite! It has been a very long day...

MyFairyKing · 19/07/2014 22:32

The media is anything but 'pro Israel'. Some time ago, when we were running for our lives to bomb shelters, the news uttered not a word.

ScottishInSwitzerland · 19/07/2014 22:32

I agree mavis it's not a religious issue. But often it is hijacked and turned into one. Either by people using Israeli military policy to make anti Jewish points or (more commonly in my experience) Israelis and their supporters accusing anybody who disagrees with them of being anti Semitic.

That's why it's so important that Jews are represented in the peace movement - and of course they are - because regardless of your religion the majority of us think mass killing of innocent civilians is wrong.

TheBogQueen · 19/07/2014 22:33

I was in glasgow at the protest - it wasn't the whole of Buchanan but certainly a healthy turnout which extended from the concert halls to the subway station.

MyFairyKing · 19/07/2014 22:37

Scottish "(more commonly in my experience) Israelis and their supporters accusing anybody who disagrees with them of being anti Semitic."

Sorry but that's incorrect. The majority of Israelis lead secular lifestyles, so have no axe to grind. Zionism and Judaism do not always go hand in hand.

ScottishInSwitzerland · 19/07/2014 22:38

MyFairyKing I'm sorry that happened to you and of course it was wrong.

Maybe it should have been reported. But not everything that happens over there is reported. The bbc don't report every time another settlement is built or another Palestinian house demolished. Or another Palestinian teenager beaten up, sick people not allowed through check points.

So the lack of reporting of your awful experience doesn't of itself mean the bbc is anti Jewish I don't think.

ScottishInSwitzerland · 19/07/2014 22:40

Maybe I'm expressing myself badly fairy

I mean that those who support the israeli military policy (or actions?) jump on anybody who disagrees with them and often beat them with the anti Semitic stick.

I'm far from an expert and I don't claim to be. That's just something I've noticed.

MyFairyKing · 19/07/2014 22:41

Anti-Jewish, no. Anti-Israel, yes.

That said, I am not on either side. I will never return to Israel. It's not my home anymore.

runes · 19/07/2014 22:42

fairy Would you like to explain/justify this charmer. Third time linking, this is fucking outrageous http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/

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runes · 19/07/2014 22:43

www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/

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MyFairyKing · 19/07/2014 22:45

If you think one MP represents a whole country, then there's no hope for you. We had an MP in England state that children with Down's Syndrome should not be alive. Do you tarnish all English people with disabilism?

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