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To wonder whether you'd prefer to go to Malory Towers or the Chalet School

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Vintagejazz · 29/04/2014 16:31

I just heard to girls about 11 years of age having an earnest discussion about this on the bus. I didn't think kids even read Chalet School books any more.
I think I'd opt for Malory Towers. They seemed to have more fun. I'd probably be expelled from the Chalet School for cursing, wearing lipstick and forgetting to speak German every Wednesday or whatever it was.

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Daisymasie · 01/05/2014 10:17

I think I'll have to make a trip up to my mother's attic. I'm very impressed by the knowledge some of you have of the Chalet School. I can remember the names of the main characters, Joey's enormous brood of kids, and the fact that an awful lot of pupils seemed to fall through frozen lakes and over the sides of mountains. But otherwise it's a bit of a blur.

thebodydoestricks · 01/05/2014 10:26

DeWee yes I think you are right. I never had a copy of the Mystic M book although there's references to it in later books.

Robin sang to Joey and didn't Joey save Gillian Lintons mother by going all bossy head girl on her when she thought Joyce had been expelled.

^^ love exile isn't that where the trips are born or maybe just after in Guernsey. Enjoy the read.

Daisy it could also be a sign if a misspent life Grin

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 01/05/2014 10:28

I think Joey and Jack get engaged at the end of Exile?

thebodydoestricks · 01/05/2014 10:37

Yes think you are right Empress it's the fleeing from the Nazi one and Bills white hair.

Trips born maybe in chalet school at war?

meditrina · 01/05/2014 10:41

Yes, it was just after they escaped at Joey collapsed in Jack's arms "Oh Jack what a solid rock of comfort you are". Madge surprised. Engagement announced shortly afterwards.

First childbirth on Guernsey "Triplets at Les Rosiers. All shes"

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/05/2014 10:41

Gymboy - Monica goes on to appear in some of the Chalet school stories, after having come up trumps.

I don't remember which book it is, but don't they get engaged when Joey realises 'what a solid lump of comfort' Jack is, Empress?

meditrina · 01/05/2014 10:44

yes it was 'lump' (not rock)

Daisymasie · 01/05/2014 10:48

Rock sounds a bit more romantic! Lump of comfort? Not exactly Mills and Boon, is it? Grin

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 01/05/2014 10:48

Just looked it up - yes they get engaged in Exile and then trips born later on in the book.

I have transcripts of some of the books that some lovely MNers emailed me a while ago. If anyone would like copies, PM me your email address.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/05/2014 10:49

I have all the CS books.

Daisymasie · 01/05/2014 10:50

EBD actually had a very childlike view of love and marriage, didn't she? One minute you're an innocent schoolgirl who's never even kissed a boy, the next you're all married and about to have a cute baby who will be no trouble at all. I used to think that's how my life would pan out, When I was about ten.

meditrina · 01/05/2014 10:51

From a blog (last month):

"... And that, so much of that, is built on Brent-Dyer and her school of nations, her families of a hundred or morechildren with different coloured hair and eyes, her St Bernards, her ‘girls which keep falling off of mountains’ and of a voice that spoke in the darkness of world war two ofacceptance, forgiveness, and truth.

"The Chalet School wasamultilingual school. A multi-faith school. A school where girls were allowedto be bold, and brave, andwho they were and who they could be.That empowerment still astounds me. The way that Brent-Dyer, even in her painful, tired, last books was so concerned with letting her girls grow up and be strong, confident woman (and not spineless jellyfish).

"She has given me so much. She has given me the supportto write books about girls. About girls, and about women, and thegolden, brilliant, lovely relationships between them."

(And a lot of sexy doctors and rugged Alpinists).

thebodydoestricks · 01/05/2014 10:56

Yes lump it was.

I always like the references to pregnancy that EBD brings in like people suddenly having breakfast in bed and not taking long walks.

Joey chuckling from sheer joy 5 days post baby number 10000.

No stitches, no c sections and Definatly no PND.

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 01/05/2014 10:58

And a world where women could have fulfilling careers, even after marriage in Joey's case, and despite the rush of doctors marriage was clearly not the be-all and end-all. You could be a teacher, or a carpenter, or an archaeologist, or a mechanic. Plus every one of these books aces the Bechdel test without even trying.

thebodydoestricks · 01/05/2014 11:01

Meditrina that's actually lovely.

SDT my dsis does too. Is it rare now?

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 01/05/2014 11:03

If they're the originals as opposed to the abridged paperbacks they're probably worth quite a lot.

meditrina · 01/05/2014 11:07

This is the blog I just found it when I was checking lump v rock.

My DM has a full (or near full) set. Some are old, some GGB reprints, others picked up when spotted second hand. I've read all of them over and over. And this thread has got me thinking it's about time time to introduce them to DD.

thebodydoestricks · 01/05/2014 11:27

My dsis has mostly paperbacks but some hard backs too.

My teen dds love them but think they are hilarious.

Empress yes agree the books are all about womem bring strong, actually Joey almost takes the piss out of Madge becoming a bit too sweet and is glad she comes back from Canada all brisk etc.

The married women though only really do jobs around the children, which of course millions of women do now really.

I only got very cross when Joey is relived that Laurie Rosomon is in hand to bring Charles home after his appendectomy as he's a doctor!! Wtf so is Daisy!!! Grin

Appendix ops are way off the scale in her books as is the mysterious 48 hour flu.

References to polio though are a reflection of the 50s outbreak.

Burren · 01/05/2014 11:58

It's nice to see depictions of strong, happy, unmarried women like Hilda Annersley and Eustacia Benson, but I do think EBD had a 'delicacy' fetish.

To be really interesting in her world, you have to be delicate and highly-strung, like the redoubtable Joey.

Though on the one hand, Joey is depicted as being as strong as a horse - she has eleven kids, many of them multiple births, and is still climbing trees and scaling cliffs and beating athletic late teenage rugby players at swimming races in her forties - on the other hand she's clearly a Fragile, Delicate, Emotional Creature.

She has to be sedated as an adult all the time, including when she falls into a box, has a habit of fainting when perturbed (after the Passion Play, when she sees Alixe von Elsen sleepwalking, when her naughty son climbs down a cliff face after a bird's nest), and her children and husband are in a sort of conspiracy that, whatever happens, Joey must never be upset, ever. She's also sent to bed to rest for weeks, and has several of her children shipped off to relatives, because one of her daughters was in contact with scarlet fever (but didn't get it), and because a new CS girl she hardly knew was in an accident. She just cares so much more than other sturdy, unemotional, hardy people, who only have small numbers of children, one at a time ...

Summerbreezing · 01/05/2014 12:11

It's interesting that so many adults still re-read the Chalet School books but not so many the Enid Blyton school stories. I suppose the Chalet School series took a much more in depth look at the school, the lives of the teachers as well as the pupils, and gave us a lot of information about how the main characters fared after they left the school. Even though the later books were very weak it is quite an impressive legacy, charting half a century of life as seen through the prism of one school.

Obviously, as an adult, you can see how ridiculous some of it was. All the stuff already mentioned on here: the girls jumping into quick engagements with much older doctors; the pregnancies not spoken of until the child is actually born; Jo's multiple births that seem to impact little on her energy or time; her inability to mentally move on from her schooldays despite being a successful author and mother of a large family; and the failure of pupils in the later books to move with the times.

But I still love a good Chalet School thread. I think they're one of my favourite things about Mumsnet Smile

squoosh · 01/05/2014 12:14

I'm now itching to re-read a Chalet School book and see with adult eyes EBD's predilection for sedation and inappropriate doctor patient relationships. My collection is in my parent's attic so I might pop on to ebay and see what I can find.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/05/2014 12:15

I wasn't allowed to read any Enid Blyton, as a child - for some reason my parents disapproved of her writing - if I recall correctly, they thought it wasn't 'well written' - a rather snobbish attitude that meant I had to smuggle library copies of Malory Towers books into the house. Grin

thebodydoestricks · 01/05/2014 12:22

Yes agree. The strong female characters are described as having manly stances and walks like Bill and Tom Gay. They have make nick names.

The others like Joey are highly strung and delicate so need regular doses of sleeping potions. Seriously Jack would have been struck off for his eagerness to drug women and girls.

Also would the San doctors be treating pregnant women? Where are the Obs/gynae specialists?

To EBD all the men are strong/right. Any spoiling of children is done by silly mothers like Jacks brothers wife whose spoiling leads to the death of her son rolf later the bad Diana who wreaks Brides study.

It's the womem and the women only who are to blame for lack if restraint and control in their children. Very few men are bad dads, pehaps Juliet's father but then her mother is bad too.

I think EBD clearly hero worships men. And the idea of a strong male as head of the family. I belive her own father left them. Pehaps that's why.

squoosh · 01/05/2014 12:22

STDG I'm sure Enid would be bamboozled and outraged to think her books would be ban worthy, resulting in children smuggling copies of 'Five Go to Smuggler's Top' into their bedrooms! Grin

They weren't at all well written and really don't stand up to re-visiting but I feel sorry for kids who want to read them but whose parents take such a strong stance on them.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 01/05/2014 12:24

Can I be a pain and go to St Claires. I like the sound of the twins and I want to go and have a fishpaste and anchovy sandwich in the prep room :)