Circumcision: A Social Status in the UK ?

[Amazonia]

Curiously in the UK, circumcision is now a matter of social class. While the "ordinary" folks rarely circumcise, circumcision is prevalent in the upper class as well as in the Royal family.

Posters need to disclose the ages of their posh boyfriends. My own (small sample of two) posh boyfriends, who would have been born in 1963/4, were both circumcised and both regarded it as a PLU marker - eg the vast majority of boys they'd been at school with were circumcised. It would be nice to think this isn't happening as a routine matter any more.

What a staggeringly odd thread. Who gives a flying fuck.

Amazonia Being done myself I'm not sure I want to think too much about that

I wish people wouldn't use the word 'mutilate' in these threads

You can wish all you like my dear.

But cutting healthy bits off a human body is mutilation.

A mosquito bite or a simple scratch can be considered a mutilation, depending on how sentitive you are on that issue, right?

In India, some folks refuse to have their nails trimmed.

Cutting healthy bits off a child is 'unnecessary' my dear if the child doesn't need it, the result is not a mutilated penis, it's a circumcised penis.

I consider female circumcision mutilation because it is never necessary afaik.

I really shouldn't read these threads

I really shouldn't read these threads

Probably not, if you don't want to hear people disagreeing with you about cutting bits off helpless babies.

Always thought The Royals were generally regarded as Cavaliers. Not Roundheads...

Erm, no a mosquito bit isn't a mutilation. It's an insect bite. What a ludicrous analogy.

It is not a good analogy. If it's not done for genuine medical reasons then whether you call it "mutilation" or "circumcision" comes down to your personal preference.

Some people think "piercings" are mutilations.

OP why are you messaging me? If you have views to air please keep them for your thread. Thanks

Millions of cells in your body die daily. Sun burning is mutilation. Eating spicy food or a drink which is too hot can also be considered as mutilation.

The question is: Is circumcision felt as a mutilation by those who are circumcised?

"The question is: Is circumcision felt as a mutilation by those who are circumcised?"

No it isn't. The question is whether it is ever OK to perform non medically required surgery on somebody who is unable to consent.

To which the answer is, obviously, "No".

Don't be silly OP. To mutilate is 'to inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on'. Eating a rogan josh gives you heartburn. It does not mutilate you.

So, do you really believe that circumcision inflicts a violent and disfiguring injury?

If this practice has been going on since ever, would you say that mankind or at least 20% of it loves inflicting violent and disfiguring injury? Can you really believe that????

Martorana: Most specialists would agree that newborn circumcision gives a far better aesthetic result than adult circumcision. Consequently, if parents seek the best for their children, they are not likely to wait until the child is able to consent.

Most circumcised men never complain ant it is mainly the uncircumcised ones who seem to have a problem with circumcision. Of course, it can happen that a circ hasn't been performed properly and the person can hence regret having been circumcised, but this is not the usual situation, is it?

There are a fair few threads on MN discussing 'top' public schools, but in 10 years of dipping in and out I have never come across a single thread discussing the best place in Harely Street to get your son circumcised.

We might not have all shagged men from the upper classes, but I think that if circumcision were a 'thing' plenty of us would have met posh mothers in RL or online who were pondering whether to bother or not.

Automatic circumcision for non-religious reasons is just not common practice in the UK.

The UC communicates otherwise than like ordinary folks on the Net. They had their Rotary Clubs and what have you while the others were still being spoonfed.

If I were going to do something to my child to designate their social status, I'd make it something that more people can SEE!

Willies are generally hidden away.

Nope. Even if there are absolutely no posh people on mumsnet, these days upper class people have jobs and go to school where they meet and talk to all sorts of different people.

On the other hand, if you are arguing that the best way to tell whether somebody is Jewish is to check if they are circumcised I think you have left the realms of logic.

merrymouse: I was relating to the Nazi time when it was usual for the Nazi soldiers to identify the jewish people by the status of their penis. Probably, such a check today would not be very accurate.

So, do you really believe that circumcision inflicts a violent and disfiguring injury?

If that question was aimed at me op, I've never conflated circumcision with mutilation. So from that we can infer that I do not. Although I do think it's a ridiculous, painful and pointless thing to do to a child if there is no medical need.

It may also be ridiculous and even painful to carry an extra long overhang

Then that would constitute a medical need, wouldn't it?