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AIBU?

...to be worried about my wife's desire for a third child?

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ThePerfectFather · 03/04/2014 12:01

My wife of 20 years (we're 38) wants a third, we currently have 2 DDs, 2.5 and 5, and I'm the SAHD who raises 'em while my wife earns the corn.

I am not a natural at this game but the kids are great and they're doing well at school and seem to be a happy pair. I am crap at doing most of the sort of support work like laundry and cleaning but I do all the cooking and shopping and all the rest of it so I think it's pretty balanced. I also do some work from home for my sort of business on the internet if you like, and that's currently really taking off and paying the sort of money you could reasonably call "a salary" rather than "peanuts". I really want to leave behind the abject horror of looking after young kids. I hated the first years so much, I know that's wrong but I enjoy the kids WAY more now. I have spoken to a lot of my mates and many of them feel the same way - babies are really hard work, but once they get to be little people they're just fantastic fun.

And now, into the mix, my wife has thrown a desire for a third child.

I recently took down all the child proofing stuff like stair gates etc, we ebayed or freecycled a bunch of other baby stuff, binned things like old sterilisers, bottles etc and gave all our baby clothes to our friends who've had babies of their own. We upgraded our car seats, I've started going through the NHS process for a vasectomy, even, so we were committed to the idea that this was it - no more children, 2 was plenty.

Then, out of nowhere, my wife announces that she's going off her birth control and that's that. She's been on the deepo injection for years and now, out of the blue, she's off it. I knew why, of course. She hoped she'd get pregnant and then of course I'd say "fine, looks like we're having a third". I'm not going to suddenly demand an abortion or anything horrific like that, and if we DID have a third, of course I'd adore the baby as much as my 2 DDs already.

She sort of turned into one of those 18 year old boys I'm sure all the women on here have had to fend off (or not) when they were younger who said things like "don't worry you can't get pregnant the first time" and so on. She started to say things like "it's ok I haven't had my period yet" and so I, being an idiot, had sex with her and she then phones me a few days later to say "I did a test and I'm not pregnant" and sounded kind of disappointed.

Hang on a sec - I thought you said we couldn't GET pregnant?! I felt like an idiot for even buying that one for a second, so now that's it - no sex until after the vasectomy, I told her. All she could say was "we'll see" because she knows I'm a weak fool when it comes to sex.

So far, no doctor's appointment has been forthcoming because, you know, it's the NHS and there's lines of blokes desperate to get their balls hacked off. I could call and tell them I want to crack on because I am dying for a shag but I doubt they'd care, the MONSTERS. So I'm just going to remain diligent and have so far (about a month now) avoided any kind of activity that might lead to anything. I'm basically keeping her at arms length. A firm handshake before she leaves for work, no more slapping her on her bum, etc. Civil, businesslike. She's getting the message that I'm not interested while she's fertile for kids.

Anyway - now I am worried about the lengths she'll go to. I've read that statistic about the number of men raising kids who aren't theirs, and she's a very attractive girl so I'm seriously worried that she's going to find some fella just like in that Heart song "All I Wanna Do is Make Love to You" about the woman who just wants to have sex with a guy to get knocked up because her husband won't or can't do it! And it's one of her favourite songs too! When I said some years ago that it's about a women cheating on two men she said "you don't understand" and I fancy that she thinks it's fair game.

She's often out after work for these "leaving drinks" for people I've never heard mentioned before, and has to go away for business sometimes too. What if she finds some bloke who looks a bit like me and gets him into the sack. What am I going to do, demand a paternity test the moment the baby is born? Go on the Maury Povich show?

I feel like this is the ultimate role reversal and, in some way, I deserve this as some penance for what my people (men) have wrought upon women these many generations past.

So what should I do? I love my wife and I fancy the pants off her so the idea of losing her because she wants a baby so badly she either stops loving me, or screws someone else and forces me to leave her (I wouldn't be able to live with it, despite everything, mainly because my Dad was a serial divorcer and left us high and dry long ago) is keeping me up at night.

She's quite a driven person and can be extremely cold and calculating at times (like a beautiful lizard) for example when she lost her virginity, she just decided she wanted to, found a guy she knew and fancied, marched up to him in the pub and said "can you come round tomorrow and pop my cherry", this was despite him having a girlfriend that she knew, and that was that. Job done. She's like a robot when she wants something.

So AIBU? What the hell should I do?

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BertieBotts · 03/04/2014 15:03

OP your situation is very common and perfectly believeable.

It's your writing style - it's hard to make out what's a joke and what's serious. And sensible suggestions (like talking to her) have taken ages to get answered, in the meantime you're cracking more jokes. Nothing wrong with jokes of course but on a serious advice thread it's difficult to give advice when it's hard to know what the information we're being given is - is it a real feeling/aspect of the situation, or is it hyperbole?

You say you've discussed this at length but I wonder really at what kind of breadth it has been discussed. It seems the practicals are there, the main thing is this disconnect between what you want and what she wants. You can't compromise on having a child, you either have one or don't - but you can talk about the reasons for wanting one and what you actually want out of it and through this you will gain a better understanding and may even be able to come to a decision.

Questions like, why does she want a child? What does she hope to get out of it? Does she just think it will be fun, is three children a particular goal for her? How would you (both) react if it was twins?

You've been over your motivations for not wanting another child on here already and they seem pretty sound. Is there anything that could help alleviate that - an au pair, cleaner, waiting a few years so you've had a longer break, etc? You rubbished the earlier idea about working more and using childcare because of costs, but you'd be no worse off than you are now so you are free to make the choice between what would be more fulfilling/interesting for you - SAHDing some more, work at home with a nanny or au pair on hand, or working outside of the home with the benefit of childcare. As long as it's not totally unaffordable, I don't think this is the kind of decision which should be made on financial merit, but rather a combination of what you want to do, what you (both) think is right/best for children, and what makes long term career sense.

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anklebitersmum · 03/04/2014 15:14

Oh gosh. We had four (one each and two between us) and I still propositioned hubby for a number five.

I just made sure it was a nice summers evening and there was plenty of vino flowing and I had the 'good' underwear on Grin

I guess for us the minor inconvenience for a year or two of a tiddly one and me being a hormonal horror for 9 months prior wasn't worth worrying about in the greater scheme of things. Mind you it is me that does the washing, drying and sock matching duties so maybe my hubby wasn't as concerned about the day to day drudgery as you are.

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Weegiemum · 03/04/2014 15:16

I wanted 3, dh wanted 2.

I was fine with this after ds was born but got broodier as ds grew up, even though I'd had a hellish pregnancy with him and really suffered.

Our CM announced she was having her 3rd, there were weeks I couldn't do pick ups as I was SO jealous.

I had a few counselling sessions and it settled down. I was happy with just dd and ds!

Then ..... I had a mirena but it slipped (they think during a smear) into my cervix. I spent weeks telling dh (who is a doctor) and other friends I was sure I was pregnant and they did the whole "can't be you have a mirena" dance.

But I was! Dd2 was born when dd1 was 3y9m and ds 1y9m. The pregnancy was hellish. I'd not wish my complications (cascade kidney stones) on my worst enemy!! I was badly depressed afterwards.

But the baby phase passes. I now have a 14yo, 12yo and 10yo. No one in our family, despite all that we've been through, thinks we shouldn't have had dd2. She's an awesome girl and dh admits our family wasn't complete without her.

I'd say don't look at the early years - they're always hard. Look to now and the future! Our dc have gone backpacking round Central America, hiking in the Canadian Rockies, to art museums in Paris, snorkelling in the Dominican Republic, trailing round Pompeii and climbed Mt Vesuvius. Dc only hold you back from that if you let them!!

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MostWicked · 03/04/2014 15:16

I think you both need to stop playing games like a couple of love-struck teenagers, and start behaving like the adults that you are.
This will never get sorted by withdrawing sex, you have to talk and listen to each other, openly and honestly. No-one has the right to railroad the other person into something they don't want.

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halfdrunktea · 03/04/2014 15:20

I'm a SAHM and wouldn't agree to a third child if DH wanted one, for very similar reasons to you. Likewise if I desperately wanted one but he didn't I wouldn't force him, as this should be a joint decision. I think you need to have a long talk with your wife; either you reach an agreement to have a vasectomy on the grounds that you can't agree to a third child (the best option I think), or you rearrange your work and childcare arrangement to accommodate a third.

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Dinosaursareextinct · 03/04/2014 15:20

I think you should think about the child too - read the recent debate on the expected effects of climate change?

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NaturalBaby · 03/04/2014 15:25

I know several people who's 3rd baby was conceived on the first attempt. Have a proper discussion with your wife asap if you really don't want another baby. Explain your feelings very, very clearly.
If you can't abstain then chances are you'll be looking at a positive pregnancy test within a few weeks.

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Minnieisthedevilmouse · 03/04/2014 15:26

Dear dad, like the writing. Could frankly do with you in Grazia magazine as they keep relying on ditzy bridget jones esque females and by god do they whine.... Please submit something to them in the thin hope they widen the writing style...

I sympathise with the overall predicament of kids sahp returning to work what next scenario in SE. Dh is lucky as there's no way I'd have a 3rd. Dh is City. I'll get to do 5days sahp, eve part time and the cleaning as sahp has lions hate at home. We will stand still for a bit too. It's like most things, if you're in a negative mood it's shit. If your in an ok mood then it's ok. Unsure which I am today.

No thoughts yet re a third apart from she's mental. I also don't think you answered, do you want a third if you remove all else....?

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Minnieisthedevilmouse · 03/04/2014 15:27

Share not hate, kinda still made sense but wasn't intention

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Grumbliest · 03/04/2014 15:28

Op..maybe you just need to make her come round to your way of thinking, ie take an amazing trekking type holiday with the kids and show her that the family is complete as it is. Children are fab (I want a third but dh is a no) but I do see that there is a lot of accountability for them such as education,future job, helping them with marriage and deposits

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stuffedupagain · 03/04/2014 15:31

DH wanted 3 and I wasn't sure whether we should stop at 2. Because of our family set-up with him as main earner and doing longer hours etc, I did all housework and all childcare during the week, except when out at my paid job.

Anyway, my point is, although DH was clearly keen for a third, he was adamant that the decision had to be mine as virtually all the extra work would fall on me. That has nothing to do with "raising" a child (we discuss everything and he is v hands on a weekends) but everything to do with my life being affected to a vastly different degree.

(In any case, I agree with the person who said that not wanting another child trumps wanting one.)

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RedFocus · 03/04/2014 15:40

Oh dear op when a woman wants a baby you are going to have to watch your back Wink
It's either go private for a vasectomy or no sex at all. Condoms can easily be tampered with Wink
Good luck op.
I love your writing style too btw very entertaining. Grin

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HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 03/04/2014 15:48

I wanted DC3. DH did not. He supported me through two rounds of godawful PND so I could understand his POV. Then good old mother nature intervened and I got hit with early menopause (age 38) and the decision was taken out of our hands.

Thank goodness because we were getting close to seriously fighting about it.

I think it would help if you knew her answer to this question:
Is it being broody, or is it really wanting a third child for life?

If she does convince you (with her feminine wiles) my advice is to get a nanny and go back to work. We live in London and it is do-able.

Although I have to say I am now glad we don't have a third child. I find it enough of a challenge to keep up with TWO lots of bloody uniform, sports kit, book bags, snack, lunch, sports fixtures, musical instruments, after school clubs, swimming lessons, netball tournaments, birthday parties, birthday presents, mufti days, World Book Day, charity stuff, bake sales, homework, reading, music practice, thank you letters, phone calls with grandparents, blah blah blah. I don't think I could do three.

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BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 03/04/2014 15:52

Hmm, I think OP is genuine- men who post on stuff like this often do the Slack Dad/Jon Ronson/ Mil Millington thing (or try to). Not sure why, but it's definitely a Thing.

I see them as the second level of man consciousness on MN.

The first level are the sexist knuckledraggers posting and willy waving at the same time.

The middle level are guys like this. They're all enlightened and stuff and may pride themselves on having equally male/female groups of friends, but when it comes to stepping into what they see as a female place to be, out comes the cool slightly arch persona and the desperate attempt to be wittier than wit itself as they frame their issues in a slightly self-deprecating way. I think it's a mixture of wanting to impress the laydeez mixed in with a real need to set themselves apart from the norm- hey, a Man is posting, and look, he's really showing us how it can be done!'

The highest level are those posters who genuinely leave their gender at the door and post unselfconsciously... Many is the time I've been surprised to discover a poster's gender. They're always the blokes you think- yes, I really could imagine you as a friend.

Or maybe OP has just swallowed too many Sunday supplements.

Oh, and you don't even know the size of those shoes you spend most of the day getting them into and out of? I guess it's all part of the persona.

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oscarwilde · 03/04/2014 15:53

andrewclover.co.uk/ No - it's not you, it appears he has three kids now. Have you read Dad Rules?

You write well, you should think about doing more of it. Your posts have been cracking me up Grin

Option a) sit her down and explain that it's something that you really, really don't want to do and for you, the family is complete.

Option b) agree to go away somewhere to do something special so she has to take time off work for a week or at least a 4 day weekend and then have the conversation when hopefully she's knackered and sees the error of her ways. If you can borrow a baby for the same period, or have one to stay so she gets a nicely disturbed night too. Bonus

Option c) Plan a really great holiday somewhere you can't take a baby and she'll want to wear skimpy clothing for. Might not work if she really likes being pregnant though.

Option d) Go private. It's 400 ffs www.mariestopes.org.uk/Fees/Mens_services/Vasectomy.aspx

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anklebitersmum · 03/04/2014 16:09

The first level are the sexist knuckledraggers posting and willy waving at the same time.

That sparked an unfortunate mental image BrunoGrin

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ThePerfectFather · 03/04/2014 16:13

£400? Really? I honestly thought it would cost a bloody fortune (as in thousands) so didn't even consider looking at private. Bearing in mind, however, that's with local anaesthetic. Not sure I want to be conscious for this, to be honest. I'm sure that adds a few £££ on to the total...

@BrunoBrookes, thanks for that lengthy dissection of men's posting. I think you've got your head shoved up your arse, and I wonder what you'd have to say if I posted something about you being "the second level of women's consciousness" as if you're talking about the relative intelligence levels of various crustaceans.

I didn't do some song and dance about being a man but when you post a thread that's essentially "my wife wants a third child and I don't" it's hard to avoid giving the game away. I'm sorry my writing style isn't more....feminine or something? Is that a writing style in your weird world?

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BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 03/04/2014 16:21

Grin

Calm down dear. I don't think I even get to the second level I have to say. Eep, I've annoyed you so much you didn't even stop to think of a witty metaphor. That's bad!

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BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 03/04/2014 16:24

On a more serious note, though - OP please go a search on a poster (male, level unconfirmed) called TheFuzz on vasectomies.

It's made me and my DH really think twice about him having one.

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MadameLeBean · 03/04/2014 16:27

Lol at "calm down dear" Smile

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oscarwilde · 03/04/2014 16:33

It does seem awfully cheap for something so final. But then I've got two cousins who are GPs and are very relaxed about the whole thing.

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BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 03/04/2014 16:34

Sorry OP. I feel bad about being bitchy to you now. Bad form. Jon Ronson has exactly the same effect on me. Sorry. Honest.

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RedFocus · 03/04/2014 16:35

Op my husband had one 7 years ago and he's a tiny, weeny bit squeamish...ok very squeamish and coped perfectly well with it all and you don't see anything or feel anything. You'll be fine. Grin

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ThePerfectFather · 03/04/2014 16:35

If you don't like Jon Ronson then that explains it. We would never have got along, no matter what! He's a God!

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LizLemonOut · 03/04/2014 16:40

You've stopped slapping her on the bum? Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock Good lord, OP, thats the ultimate cruelty. If she did have "one too many leaving drinks" phnar phnar she'd be well within her rights.

Maybe have a big boy conversation with the ol' lizard-bot?

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