To think teachers are actually better off than those in the private sector

[coco44]

(Mumsnet Bosses
Please may I rephrase the debate in a more measured way)

[LaurieFairyCake]

There are no teachers moaning about how hard done by they are - just normal moaning like everyone else does about their job

You just make shit up because you can't debate properly

[YoureAllABunchOfBastards]

I got as far as 'I don't think teaching is a particularly difficult or skilled job to do'.

Come and do my job for a day - today I have led staff training, dealt with stroppy parents and poorly kids, planned a strategy for the latest idiocy of Gove's and taught four GCSE classes plus a morning session for exam revision. And today has been a good day, as no-one told me to fuck off. Well, not to my face, anyway.

I have worked in the private sector. I'd go back like a shot at the moment. I love teaching but Gove and the fact that every arsehole with an opinion thinks they can pontificate about what I do is seriously getting on my tit ends.

[HRHLadyG]

And ......what about teachers in the Independent Sector? x

[echt]

Yes, the government do pay in. They are the employer. That's how all pensions work.

Hang on though... Google "pension holidays by UK businesses" and see what the precious private sector has been allowed to do for years; not paying into their workers' pensions. Of course public sector pensions look better and so must be run down.

[StitchingMoss]

You debates are pretty shocking OP - still dying to know what you're qualified to do!

[Johnny5needsinput]

Isn't this a thread about a thread?

[sonlypuppyfat]

They do moan a lot

[Arisbottle]

I think there are some schools in which teaching is a difficult and particularly skilled job.

In my school it certainly requires a certain skill set but it is not that difficult tbh. But most jobs are not that that difficult if you have the right temperament.

[misskatamari]

Coco teachers don't get 13 weeks off. We get 13 weeks where we aren't teaching pupils. There is a difference.

Teachers are no incessantly moaning about pay - most of us recognise that our pay is pretty good. What we are worried about is the many issues regarding pension and working conditions, the latter of which will impact of pupils learning. We are also concerned about the governments desire to privatise education and change curriculum at a whim. We are also concerned about the biased press coverage which further helps to undermine teachers and the profession.

[Ihatespiders]

coco44, you have been asked repeatedly, and very politely, to reveal your job, yet you refuse to do so.

In my classroom I would haul you up for not showing sufficient respect to your peers.

[janey68]

WHAT JOB DO YOU DO, OP?

(Speaking very slowly and clearly!)

[coco44]

Yes but it is a done deal for most people, they just have to accept that is the way things are.
My job is very skilled I work long hours, it involves very unsociable hours and working sometimes in cold ,dirty conditions.I regularly get physically hurt. I love it though.Couldn't imagine doing anything else.
But it isn't easy.Teachers seem to think they are the only ones who have got it hard.And this strike has really peed me off
if I treated my clients the way, teachers are treating theirs, I wouldn't have a business.

[OrangeMochaFrappucino]

I discussed the strike with my Yr 11s, who, by the way, grasped both sides of the debate and were able to talk about it in a rational, reasoned, considered way.

The one point they were adamant about was that they didn't want to be taught by 68yr old teachers and felt it would be detrimental to their education to raise teachers' retirement age.

If things are bad in the private sector then that is something to get angry about, yes. But why insist that everybody's working conditions should be bad rather than raising the standards for all?

[echt]

Annoyingly, private school teachers can benefit from the Superannuation scheme, too. As I never tire of mentioning when some one bangs on about how private education is truly independent. :o If private schools had to pay the same pension contributions to their staff as in the state sector, they'd soon feel the pinch.

[Spider7]

I don't think teaching is a particularly difficult or skilled job.

And what do you base this most ridiculous & inflammatory observations? Teaching is a VERY skilled job. For those who are not naturally skilled at teaching it can be difficult. Some satisfactory teachers can with guidance & effort can become good teachers.but that's a whole other debate. The job of a teacher is made difficult for all teachers due to the constant changes, the ridiculous amount of paperwork, duplication of data, micro management & all the other negatives already mentioned by others. It is an incredibly tiring occupation.

I know some very bright & very skilled people who can't teach. I know some averagely intelligent & skilled people who are good teachers. I know some who are very bright, skilled & CAN teach..... TEACHING is a skill in itself. It is a skill some can learn, some are natural at & some unfortunately will never be good at. Why do you think some teachers are better than others?

You are clearly up your own backside to come out with such a pathetic comment. Hope you get to see this before its deleted!

[tethersend]

Which private sector?

The private education sector? With longer holidays, better pay and many perks such as accommodation and school fee discount?

Or another one?

[Johnny5needsinput]

What is your job? You said on the last thread it was considered the hardest job to get into. What is it?

[BillyBanter]

I seriously doubt this is true like for like but even it it was the answer would be to fight for better conditions in the private sector.

Why do so many people think the answer to them having a shit time is to make someone else having a shit time have a worse time?

[janey68]

YY, lots of descriptive writing there but WHAT IS YOUR JOB OP??

[coco44]

I am a bovine vet

[Fairenuff]

I don't think teachers complain about their jobs. I think they defend their positions when attacked, which is a different matter entirely.

Sorry if I missed it OP, but, what job do you do?

[YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime]

coco44 My job is very skilled I work long hours, it involves very unsociable hours and working sometimes in cold ,dirty conditions.I regularly get physically hurt. I love it though.Couldn't imagine doing anything else.

so you are a teacher then? no?

[MymbleBaratheonBendsTheKnee]

Why not become a teacher if you think it's so wonderful and 'not particularly difficult or skilled'?

I work for a private sector company. I receive an annual bonus, various corporate memberships and other perks, my Christmas party is paid for, other social events etc etc.

DH is a secondary school teacher in a catchment area with many social problems. It is a high pressure job which has made him ill in the past, but he came from a disadvantaged background and feels a responsibility to teach, this is why he is still in teaching and not the private sector despite considering a move many, many times. He receives a decent salary but there are no perks and his pension has been devalued since he started teaching 10 years ago. He says now that he would advise against going into teaching if asked