to be bloody pissed off that the CSA...

[fanjangolo]

take child tax credits from one set of children living with the Non resident parent, to give to their other child regardless of the resident parents income.

Child Tax Credits are given to lift children out of poverty and then the CSA take them, shoving them back into poverty - even if the child they are giving this money to lives in a wealthy household.

[belatedmaybe]

Mama, that is the only thing that makes sense to me - of course that doesn't mean it is what happens sadly.

Sock, that is my point he is in receipt of ctc for the children living in his household therefore it would be wrong to take that money away to give to a child in another household who is entitled to their own ctc claim (via the parent of course).

Earned income, benefits for the adult and wtc are a totally different thing. This would be the money from which a nrp should contribute to the upbringing of nr children.

[belatedmaybe]

Something that has just occurred to me too, how will this work with universal credits? That will include a portion for each resident child plus things like housing costs (housing benefit) surely they can't say that the nr child should get a portion of the money for other children and their housing? How can it be separated out if it is amalgamated?

[MamaTo3Boys]

I don't understand how XPs other child would benefit from having CTC taken from the claim based on them to give to my children though :S

Have I missed something?

[jacks365]

If the ctc isn't taken into account would you still think the nrp should get a reduction in the maintenance paid to allow for those children.

If no reduction that would adveresly affect anyone who doesn't claim ctc or gets a low amount.

If reduction also given the children living with the nrp benefit twice and the other child loses out would that be fair?

[MammaTJ]

The two men I had flings with didn't wish to use condoms when I informed them I was taking oral contraception either. No man ever has in my experience actually. I guess they are all evil bastards

Have you never thought of saying 'If you don't wrap it, you don't dip it?

[MamaTo3Boys]

Jacks - think I understand now. Just been googling to try and figure it all out.

Let me know if this is right, my XP will have already had a reduction placed on the amount of CSA he has to pay due to having a child that lives with him. (This is based on if he was working by the way) so the money hes losing from CTC isn't really lost money as its made up through the reduction. He wouldn't have this reduction if he didnt have another child, therefore there would be no CTC so he'd have been paying more?

So it kinda works out roughly the same either way?

[jacks365]

Thats correct. In this instance when the op worked out the figures she found that she was slightly better off this way.

[MamaTo3Boys]

Glad ive got the hang of that, ill be able to sleep now haha x

[givemeaboost]

has the baby ever been officially confirmed as his-did he ever do a dna test?

[belatedmaybe]

Jacks they don't benefit twice though. The resident children get the full amount of ctc that is intended for them the nr child also gets their ctc allowance via their rp.

Then the remaining income that is intended for them and their family. This is the amount that is used to pay towards the nr child with the remainder being for the adult and any resident children.

[jacks365]

Belated they get the benefit of ctc and the benefit of a deduction in the amount the nrp pays. Don't assume everyone claims ctc.

[belatedmaybe]

Oh goodness I need to understand how it does work before I can work out how this compares with how I think it should work. Sadly I don't have enough brain cells left tonight

[belatedmaybe]

Wrt to claiming though that doesn't actually change anything. People who are not entitled are not entitled because their income does not need additional support. People who don't claim but are entitled make that choice for themselves.

[jacks365]

Thats the point belated it is increasing the nrp income, if they earned the money rather than getting ctc would you say that amount should be disregard. Say two men both took home £350 a week but one it was just wages and the other wages and ctc should the second man pay less? Currently both situations would leave the nrp the same money to bring up the children they live with but if you disregard ctc then the second one has much more.

[belatedmaybe]

Ah!

Right, sorry to sound flakey but I need to process this one. I am too far through a run of night shifts to properly work it out. Thank you for bearing with me to get that explanation through eventually

[ImATotJeSuisUneTot]

Because all benefit type payments will come under universal credit. CSA decisions won't change though. Eg, if you have worked out that you pay £20 a week now, you'll pay it then.

[ImATotJeSuisUneTot]

• if they have worked out.

[BrokenSunglasses]

You need to forget that tax credits are intended for children. They are just an income supplement for adults.

It makes no difference whether a parents income is made of of earned wages, or benefits they have had to ask for. If there is money being given in a parents name, then all their children are entitled to a share of it.

It is not taking money away from one set of children to give to another. It is taking money from an adult to pay for the children they chose to create.

[TickleMyTitsTillFriday]

This doesn't make any sense. My ex is a serial csa avoider, I told them he was claiming tax credits as he had a new baby and they told me they can't look at that due to data protection?

Is that not true? As that Bastard owes me thousands and I want it, whether it be from tax credits or anything else quite frankly.

[ImATotJeSuisUneTot]

Tickle, I think it may, unfortunately be something your ex has to declare himself, or answer when asked, IYSWIM.

[TickleMyTitsTillFriday]

See, can't rely on these cunts being honest?!

[fuzzywuzzy]

CSA payments go DOWN when the NRP has more kids, they do not end up paying more of their tax credits to the RP.

If you have children you have a financial responsibility to that child. CS payments don't reflect the actual cost of bringing up a child its a contribution.

[118sbigmoustache]

I think in some cases it can actually go up. I put those rough figures in that OP provided before for the sake of maths and got this:

£200 wages
£115 tax credits
2 resident children
= £38 a week to the child he is NRP to

£200 wages
£0 tax credits (if he had no children with anyone else so no tax credits existed)
0 children
= £30 a week

£200 wages
£0 tax credits (not included for income)
2 children
= £24 a week

So according to the calculator I used, because CTC is taken into account, the RP gets more maintenance when the NRP has more children. If the CTC is not taken into account, the maintenance decreases.