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AIBU?

To not see the point of suspending pupils from school

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LEMisdisappointed · 03/08/2013 16:13

Spurred on by the intellectual hothouse that is "my parents are aliens" where Mel was suspended from school for breaching school uniform rules, it got me wondering about this.

The government have recently changed the rules regarding holiday absences so no absecne during term time unless its life or death etc. This rule was passed, i assume, to ensure that all children attend school, especially from families that were lax about this sort of thing. Families which may have children who are more likely to be disruptive in school.

I hated school, but wasn't a naughty child, however i would have been delighted to be suspended! I mean, two weeks or however long off school. I should imagine that many children would feel the same way and some parents may not give a fig.

What does it achieve and isn't rather contrary in light of recent changes in the laws regarding unauthorised absence. I know a suspension is authoried but it would be as disruptive to a childs education (possibly more so) than a child being taken out for the reason of a holiday.

Just wondered

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tethersend · 04/08/2013 19:41

Nkf, exclusion letters should always tell you what your options are- but frequently do not.

In some cases, letters are not issued at all which renders the exclusion illegal.

tethersend · 04/08/2013 19:43

Burberry, was your son on a 'managed move' to the PRU?

burberryqueen · 04/08/2013 19:44

i guess so yes from what you say

nkf · 04/08/2013 19:47

There is a procedure to be followed but you do have to know it if you are going to challenge it. I think there are advocacy groups that work with parents to help them understand the system.

Personally, I think that if a child doesn't care about being excluded/suspended (genuinely doesn't care, not just mouthing off) then it's pretty much over. They don't like/want/value what the school has to offer. Or they can't make it work for them.

If their parents aren't too bothered about exclusion or if they don't much care about their parents' disappointment/anger, then it's pretty much over too.

tethersend · 04/08/2013 19:47

Managed moves no longer need parental consent, but up until recently they did. Is your son still there?

nkf · 04/08/2013 19:48

I thought a managed move needed the parent to agree in writing.

tethersend · 04/08/2013 19:49

Not any more, nkf. Will try and find the legislation.

nkf · 04/08/2013 19:50

It's okay. I believe you. Burberryqueen, it sounds as if you don't know what happened. There are groups that can help. Google phrases like "advocacy school exclusions."

Ilovegeorgeclooney · 04/08/2013 19:53

If a pupil is excluded more than once at our place parents and grandparents are invited to spend a day in school sitting in the classroom with their offspring. The ones who relations take us up on the offer rarely get excluded again! Granny is usually very effective!

Ilovegeorgeclooney · 04/08/2013 19:54

Whose duh!

burberryqueen · 04/08/2013 19:56

no he was there for a good while and went back to his school which lasted about a term before i had to take him out to be home ed.

He had people following him around mocking his accent and calling him a 'chav' and telling tales about him that were not true and getting quite serious, he had to be searched by police for some non existent pills.

lastly they excluded him for another pupil saying he had weed - with zero evidence.
my take on that was - if u think he has weed, call the police again, jjust like last time when u looked really foolish - until then, do not bother me with it.

it was all a bit of a shame as he does actually enjoy learning.

burberryqueen · 04/08/2013 19:57

oh and when he came back from the PRU he went straight into bottom groups for everything, despite their assurances that they kknew he was 'very able'.
actually i could weep.

nkf · 04/08/2013 19:58

BurberryQueen, I don't believe you. I don't believe he would be excluded on the say so of a pupil. And what do you mean, "don't bother me with it?" This is your child and his education.

tethersend · 04/08/2013 19:59

Oops, the new legislation is just at trial stage at the moment. Ignore me- a managed move still requires parental consent unless you live in one of the boroughs which is trialling the new approach.

burberryqueen · 04/08/2013 19:59

well i am not making it up i can assure you. i mean, if they thought he was doing something illegal, then why wasn't it a police matter.
what i am telling you is what happened, you couldnt make it up.

nkf · 04/08/2013 20:00

Yes, but it doesn't sound as if you know what actually happened. You don't know if it was an exclusion or a managed move. I strongly urge you to contact an advocacy group. Contact your local education authority to see what your options are.

burberryqueen · 04/08/2013 20:01

yes well it is a bit late now, the options are limited.

nkf · 04/08/2013 20:04

Do you know what the options are? Do you know the procedure? I don't but some people do and some people will help you. It might be best that your son does not stay there. There might be a better place for him, but I think it is best to act from a position of knowledge. I am not trying to offend, but it sounds to me as if you don't have a secure handle on what's going on. If I'm wrong, I apologise.

burberryqueen · 04/08/2013 20:05

besides i was talking about what happened when he went back to his school.
i guess it was a managed move as there was no exclusion.
now the only option for sept is 4 gcses at an FE college 30 miles away, without even science.

burberryqueen · 04/08/2013 20:07

it is hard to have a secure handle on things tbh, as i said i felt railroaded and also we are english in a non english environment.

nkf · 04/08/2013 20:08

So, you are not in the UK? That must be difficult. It's actually quite difficult to exclude students in the UK, but maybe it's easier in other countries.

burberryqueen · 04/08/2013 20:09

um yes it is the UK - goodness you are a fast typer - just a part of the UK where they are not English, need i say more?

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tethersend · 04/08/2013 20:12

Sorry, I am confused by the not English bit- is it in the UK? If so, the LEA has to abide by UK law, regardless of where anyone was born.

Can you say where you are? Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not say on the thread.

burberryqueen · 04/08/2013 20:14

Wales and i really got the impression that they didnt want annoying English kids messing up their lovely regimented schools of course I would say that....

tethersend · 04/08/2013 20:24

Welsh guidance here

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