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AIBU?

To not care how 'friendly' your dog is, if you can't control it, it should be on a lead

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IcouldstillbeJoseph · 18/07/2013 03:20

I'm neither a lover or hater of dogs but this is beginning to piss me right off rankle.

Near to where I live is a lovely lake. Nice path, children's play area, ducks etc. Popular in this weather.

I was out walking today with DS 2.6 and DD 6mo. As has happened on so many occasions now, we'll be stood feeding the ducks, only to have somebody's dog come bounding along to us, no owner in sight (the path is quite bendy) and start sniffing about. Now, obviously the sniffing I don't mind so much but DS is a bit wary of dogs and today one started trying to lick his face and was licking at DD's feet in the buggy. The owner then saunters around the corner, calling dog's name (to which it pays no attention) and then looks endearingly at the dog and at DS's worried expression and says "oh don't worry she just wants to give you kisses". No attempt to get control of the dog at all.

I gave tight-lipped half smile and turned away resisting urge to wipe DD feet with an anti-bac wipe

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IcouldstillbeJoseph · 18/07/2013 07:43

I have tried to explain there is nothing to be scared of and im not scared myself so I don't think he's picking that up. I did, however, say that you don't touch dogs until mummy says its ok as they may bite you. I think that might have been what did it....

It happens all the bloody time though. Once a dog sneaked up behind him whilst throwing bread for the ducks and he panicked so much I thought he was going to end up in the water! I was stood right night to him before anyone suggests I was sat on my phone somewhere, being neglectful Wink

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Emilythornesbff · 18/07/2013 07:47

YADDDDNBU

"irkes" me too.
Grrrr.

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christinarossetti · 18/07/2013 07:50

I completely agree. I would never let my children bother other people let alone actively jump up at them and it drives me potty when dog owners let their hounds bother other people.

One charming dog owner told me I was 'stupid' when I asked her to stop her large dog jumping up at my 6 week old in the sling.

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Chopstheduck · 18/07/2013 07:51

Mine were very nervous of dogs at that age, but they've gotten better as they get older, by approaching friend's dogs. Having an uninvited dog bounding towards you is too much for some toddlers.

yanbu.


Though it never really bothered me that much, until I started running. The number of people who let their dogs come bounding up to me, or chase me. It is very annoying, especially smaller breeds trying to get at my ankles - I swear I'm going to end up indadvertedly kicking one! Even quite placcid dogs often get excited when they see someone running, and so many owners just leave them to it.

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MrsLouisTheroux · 18/07/2013 07:51

Saintly : The other thing to do with an over enthusiastic dog is turn your back to them while making no eye contact etc
I will do this!
I raise my arms to say 'back off'! FGS! I didn't realise that dogs see it as a sign that I want to play ball with them. Grin

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50shadesofmeh · 18/07/2013 07:56

Dogs make my skin crawl and I feel like I can't enjoy a walk with my kids around local beauty spots ,

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ChoudeBruxelles · 18/07/2013 07:56

Biscuitdone so many times. Yes other people's dogs are annoying. They should be under control. But people have dogs - get used to it. Blah blah

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cory · 18/07/2013 07:58

How do you teach a 2yo, strapped in his buggy, not to lift his arms to protect his face when a strange dog jumps up and licks him in the face?

Would you have the self control not to do that yourself if you were in a situtation where an animal larger than yourself suddenly jumped at your face?

I found it incredibly frustrating to put in so much work to teach dc to be good around dogs only to have my good work undone by situations that I didn't have any control over.

And once something has happened, it is incredibly difficult to tell the child they must never show a fear reaction again. Particularly if the child is small.

It is all very well to say you must teach them to do x, y or z but a small child who has been hurt or frightened in a certain situation may well go hysterical the next time they are faced with a similar situation.

And to undo that takes time and patience: not a stranger who insists that you have to put up with having the thing you fear most shoved in your face because "he's lovely with children".

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milktraylady · 18/07/2013 08:00

YANBU
I basically hate dogs & it puts me off going for walks with dd in the pram.
I have watched a lot of Cesar Milan & so I do try to project confidence when a dog runs up.

Are there any good MN phrases I can have up my sleeve to get dog owners to control their dog/ call it off?
Polite but to the point!
I always just freeze & feel panicky.

Good tip about not raising arms & offering back of hand to sniff. Not sure I have the confidence to turn my back- what if it leaps up at my back?

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TheSecondComing · 18/07/2013 08:02

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MrsLouisTheroux · 18/07/2013 08:03

choude Get used to it?
I don't think so.

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HandMini · 18/07/2013 08:04

Agree strongly. I had dinner outside a pub on Monday night. The couple at the table next to us had two dogs, both off leads. Five/six times one of the dogs came over to our table, licked legs, sniffed around, pushed under chairs and drooled/begged for food. Each time, the couple called them back, fairly ineffectually, ie they'd already sniffed/licked/rooted in handbag. Never once did they stand up and pull them away or put them on a lead. After the repeated annoyances, I asked them to put the dogs on a lead. They didn't have one with them.

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IcouldstillbeJoseph · 18/07/2013 08:09

choude I didn't realise I had to search the MN archive before posting, in case I inadvertently bored somebody.

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Szeli · 18/07/2013 08:19

YANBU I hate dogs, dirty, yappy things; but other people don't and that's their choice.

What I hate though is being made to feel like you're being unreasonable for not liking dogs when you're trying to go about your daily business.

It's a but like the religious fanatics in town who shout about their religion and force flyers on you - I don't like that either.

I don't know why there can't be designated doggy running bits in multi use parks then everyone can use the space fairly, but there you go

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HandMini · 18/07/2013 08:22

Choude YABU.

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ConfusedPixie · 18/07/2013 08:29

Yanbu. I nanny a boy who is scared of dogs, he's autistic too which makes things a bit more difficult than my 2yo who is scared of them (for the two year old she was fine until one knocked her down not long ago!). It took a year for me to stop him screaming and running from 'friendly' dogs who jumped at him. A few weeks ago one 'friendly' dog ate his lunch at the park. He's now screaming and running from them again and it's undone a years work. If you cannot control your dogs and if they do not have good recall they should not be off of the lead.

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DameEdnasBridesmaid · 18/07/2013 08:32

OP YANBU.

I don't want any dogs near me ever, they should all be on leads in any public place. It should be the law.

It really pisses me off when the only says "he won't harm you, he likes you", well I don't fucking like it, so get it away from me immediately!

choude can't have enough of these threads IMO, they remind the very vocal dog brigade that amazingly some of the population don't share their view. So YABU.

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spacegoat · 18/07/2013 08:34

No you are not being unreasonable. My hounds would never come back so are on leads, and no body has to see them if they come to my house.

Having said that I have come back from walks covered in the paw prints of other dogs. Because I have dogs therefore I won't mind other dogs jumping up on me. Well yes I do actually.

If you want dogs to stay away. Fold your arms, turn your back, no eye contact. If you have a young child shouting at the dog owner is reasonable in my opinion!

At the same time some young children do run up to dogs to cuddle and stroke them, even when they are on leads! Now my dogs are great usually... but not really used to young children. So please get them to be a bit careful and ask please!!

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TheFallenNinja · 18/07/2013 08:37

Dogs aren't annoying per se, but what they are is unpredictable.

All dogs, without exception should be legally required to be on a lead at all times period.

I don't give a monkeys how friendly or lovely it is, it's unpredictable. Plus if it's on a lead it won't poop in a place too far for you to walk to clean it up.

Too many dog owners regard their animals a humans. They are not.

I love dogs by the way. It's just some owners.

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QuintessentialOldDear · 18/07/2013 08:41

Yanbu.

If there were not so many irresponsible dog owners, there would not be so many children with a total fear of dogs!

Having said that, I think most dog owners are pretty irresponsible. I have yet to encounter one who call their dog back with any success, when they run after and nip at my child. Angry They mostly just laugh and say "oh look at doggy, he loves children SO much, just wants to play" about scowling labrador/yorkshire terrier who has a firm grip of my childs trousers with its teeth. I wish I could carry around a dart gun with sleep inducing darts to use on dogs like this.

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SparkyTGD · 18/07/2013 08:42

YANBU

I'm a dog owner.

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Scuttlebutter · 18/07/2013 08:52

Out of control, off lead dogs annoy other dog owners too. Angry

We have four dogs and try really hard to be responsible dog owners. We walk on lead, pick up poo (and worm regularly), our dogs are chipped, neutered and wear ID. We spend money and time to invest in training classes so they have good doggy manners when they greet people. We only go off lead in certain areas, when there is no-one around and regularly pay to hire an private field for off lead high speed play.

One of our dogs is elderly, arthritic and has poor eyesight - he gets very flustered and upset if an off lead dog comes bounding over.

I'm particularly conscious of the fact that in many parks, Councils already have the power to impose Dog Control Orders that either ban dogs completely or make on lead walking compulsory so an irresponsible minority (as so often) can spoil it for those of us who do try to do the right thing.

As others have posted, off lead dogs usually seems to go hand in hand with owners being oblivious to the poo too. Angry

DEFRA will be changing the law next year, and it looks likely it will be stricter, and will also apply in more places. Any dog owner who are currently oblivious to this might get a nasty shock when it is introduced.

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SparkyTGD · 18/07/2013 08:52

milktraylady I think to step in front of pram & say "NO" firmly (not screechy, think teacher voice), most dogs will stop, IME.

I have a sensitive dog who doesn't like other dogs bounding at her/bothering her and that usually works.

Thinking about it, I could say to other dog owners "She doesn't like other dogs" and most of the time that would be respected, shame people don't do same for children.

But I suppose if I say that & the other owner replies with the "Its ok, he's friendly" I can say "But she's not" and they keep their dog away.

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saintlyjimjams · 18/07/2013 09:23

MSLouis - are you every doggy's friend? Grin god they must love you. Honestly the more you ignore them the more they will ignore you. You don't need to turn completely but just turning a shoulder will help given them 'I'm not interested' signs. Raising arms is definitely treated as a sign to play (or maybe there's a treat in that hand - double the excitement).

Both ds2 and ds1 used to be scared of dogs. DS2 would raise his hands, so the dog would jump up, then he'd run screaming and the dogs thought he was great fun. I remember one memorable moment when he had three dogs chasing him with happy doggy faces while he ran screaming across the moors. I was yelling 'STAND STILL' but he was struggling to do that and so the dogs carried on - it looked like something from a cartoon. The of course he'd go to friends houses and do the same and end up a gibbering wailing wreck so he stopped being invited (I don't blame the parents - their dogs were perfectly friendly & who wants a playdate designed to occupy your child turn into 3 hours of comforting someone else's child). I can honestly say he never met an aggressive dog, they were all friendly but his reactions just made them very playful which he felt overwhelmed by.

DS1 is severely autistic and doesn't like fur. But his reaction to dogs has always been to freeze and they do generally ignore him. They might sniff but they just run away from from. Now we have our own dog he has a slightly worrying habit of occasionally extending a finger towards a strange dog (because he does that with ours who then licks his finger).

Ds2 is very sensible about dogs now and asks before approaching. I spend a lot of time at home saying 'fgs get your hands out of the dog's mouth/get the dog out of your bed (it's a retriever it's not small)/ will you please not let the dog lie on you'. So it is possible to go from absolutely terrified at 8 to dog whisperer at 11.

DS3 loves all dogs and has to be reminded to not approach unknown dogs.

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newestbridearound · 18/07/2013 09:26

YANBU.

I absolutely hate this too.

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