to wonder why some women don't wear make-up

[MeganCherry]

I'm sure I will get flamed for this but -

I don't mean trowel it on every morning, 3 lots of foundations, eyeshadow, eyeliner etc.

I have quite good skin, so on a usual day I'll wear - mascara and a lipstick/glass. On a bad day I'll probably wear concealer too.

I think make up is about enhancing your features and making the best of them. Me after a sleepless night I look like a zombie, add some concealer and I look like a human being again.

I like to wear make up for me and not to impress my husband or friends or strangers. I just know that I look better when I'm wearing it.

[BoulevardOfBrokenSleep]

It's not about 'fitting in' to whatever stereotypes you want to throw around.

It's more about considering how you live your life, and why, and what effect that has in turn on the world around you.

"The unexamined life..." and all.

[carmenelectra]

boulevard, I agree.

I'm actually a big thinker and talker. Make up threads and politic though? Behave.

I have to say, though it does sound spiteful, but all the dh's who prefer no make up. Maybe its more of a case of "yes, dear. No dear".

No your bum doesn't look big in that! Bet they wouldn't dare say' actually I like the TOWIE look.

[shallweshop]

carmenelectra - absolutely agree with you.

[ledkr]

Ha ha my dh wouldn't dare tell me I looked better in make up but I see him do a double take when I'm done up. He is a gorgeous man himself but I must admit when he's shaved and gels his hair he looks even better.
This thread us a bit silly now. Nobody is going to suddenly stop or begin using make up because of it. It's a bit if a non issue for most people.

[Sallyingforth]

ledkr
"I had chemo when I was on my twenties. So had no hair eyebrows or eyelashes ( or boobs!) self esteem was on the floor and false eyelashes a wig and make up helped enormously."
That's a terrible experience and you have my deepest sympathy for what you've had to overcome. If someone suffers illness or accident then of course it's only reasonable to cover the injury or replace what is lost.
I don't think that compares though with healthy and uninjured people being told that they would 'look better' if they covered up their normal faces with cosmetics.

[garlicblocks]

I think some of my porn star false eyelashes have worked their way into my brain and I can't think straight

Yeah, similar thing happened with my hair bleach.

[ledkr]

No I agree with that. I would never tell others what to do its not my style. I love make up but I resent being told I'm using it for any other reason than to look nicer (in my opinion) and if you read back there have been a few unnecessarily aggressive comments to people who have said they like to wear it which are just not true for most.
Thanks for your good wishes though. I'm doing well now. It all grew back apart from my boobs lol.
My point was just that its not always a bad thing to cover up what one sees as flaws and personally I see no difference to masking what a person thinks are their imperfections whether that's from chemo or acne scars or just general tiredness.
Ps when I read your post I thought " god this woman has been through the same as me" ha ha

[Morloth]

I don't find arguing on the internet terribly taxing or time consuming, so try not to worry about the amount of time I have on my hands carmen.

Agree with seeker (!) about the 'strawmen', getting a little desperate to be 'right' there?

As I said in my first (possibly second) post, not my face, not my problem. It is a feminist/political issue though, as is pretty much anything only women (on the whole) do as opposed to things that everyone does.

Is it really so difficult to understand that not everyone dislikes how they look in their natural state? Sometimes I look tired, because I am. I certainly look 36, because I am. Mostly I look great, because I am. DH may well be spinning me a line, who knows but why should I worry about that exactly?

[PiccadillyCervix]

ledker you seem a bit fixated with me. my comments were to marriesidwhite who I quoted. She said she didn't want to be seen outside with out makeup and then in another post said s was happy her daughter was now using makeup, . not really the same as doing theatrical makeup but again I wasn't talking to you and you had no reason to think I was / you seem very insecure about your choices.

[ledkr]

I'm sorry picsdilly ? I don't believe I've made any reference to you in my last post which was on answer to sallyingforth
Considering the conversation I have had with her regarding the loss of my hair and breasts at a very young age, it seems a bit off to tell me I seem insecure about my choices how sensitive of you.

[DizzyZebra]

I think it's probably normal to wonder. IT's hard to put into words without coming off and weird though.

I love my make up. I don't wear it constantly, But it always makes me feel good. Anything to do with 'beautifying' does. Sometimes i would love to get hold of my friends and give them a lovely pamper and beauty session. In my head it makes perfect sense and would cheer them right up - In reality they'd probably spend it wanting to hit me with something very hard.

[samandi]

I don't really notice if a woman is wearing mascara or not.

[ArielThePiraticalMermaid]

I do. It can make a huge difference to someone's face.

But I don't make a judgement based on it.

[Sallyingforth]

ledkr
"this woman has been through the same as me". No, I haven't and I can only guess what it must be like. I can only admire your strength in having got through it and being able to talk about it on line.

[Notafoodbabyanymore]

What a stupid thread this is. Some good points being made by each side (Sides! About makeup! [Hmm])

Personally, I stopped wearing makeup every day at 24 when I went backpacking for 4 months and never bothered with it much after that. I do wear it occasionally and enjoy it, just don't care enough to bother every day.

I have a very girly dd of 3 who is obsessed at the moment with looking beautiful, so we are having lots of conversations about how people look beautiful when they are kind and friendly and happy. I don't care one way or another whether she ends up wearing makeup when she's older, I just hope she learns that how she looks is a teeny tiny part of what makes her special and wonderful.

[Notafoodbabyanymore]

Or even.

[ledkr]

Thanks Sally. It was a while ago now I am very open about it because I'm lucky enough to be comfortable with talking about it and hope it helps others really.

[PiccadillyCervix]

but it "makes you happy" that your daughter is now experimenting with make up? how depressing

My dd wants to study theatre make up as a career choice and loves experimenting with it. She is very clever and I am extremely proud.

No, I've gone back to check, neither of you were discussing that before ... but you did respond directly after my comment. So I'm pretty sure were responding to me. BUt I'm gonna bow out o this conversation and ignore you now.

[JugglingFromHereToThere]

With you as her Mum Nota I'm sure she'll learn just that

[ouryve]

Why should I wear make up? I hate the feel of it on my skin and allergic to most brands anyhow. I'm a pretty decent 43 and don't feel pressurised to enhance anything, TYVM. Nor should anyone for that matter.

[Notafoodbabyanymore]

Thanks Juggling, what a lovely thing to say.

[mindosa]

YABU
Make up is a personal choice, not a necessity or a health issue

[polkadotsrock]

Well if that were the case carmen surely they would be with someone that did wear make up etc if that was the attraction for them? I wholeheartedly believe my dh doesn't give a shit about make up or any other superficial additions to how I look, just not the kind of bloke to be bothered that by that, ergo a perfect match to my au natural approach to cosmetics. Though I have been known to take it to the extreme and not brush my hair for a fortnight- ds loves to pull it so I wash it and tie it in a knot then forget that I haven't brushed it

[JugglingFromHereToThere]

You're welcome !

As my DD learnt to say when she was about 3 or 4 - I think it was something she picked up at her lovely nursery

[PiccadillyCervix]

Well exactly Polka. Also it's easy if you have been with your partner a while to know what their "type" is. Dh definitely does prefer busty girl next door types. And I have noticed the women he thinks he is is subtling checking out under his glasses. And I have seen pics of his girlfriends and none of them were really made up.