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To consider not shopping the thief

110 replies

pouffepants · 02/01/2013 20:20

I'm a delivery driver, and the (big)company I work for seem remarkably lax on security. Obviously everything gets a bit hectic around christmas, but on a daily basis we have missing parcels that never get to our sub depot from the main depot, damaged parcels and obviously tampered parcels. These are embarrassing to deliver.

I didn't think it was a problem at our depot though, because lots seem damaged when they get to us. And I've often helped with the morning sort, so I know some are already missing.

They have found it impossible to recruit a subdepot manager, so in the end one of the courier's nephews took it on at age (just) 16. He's been great. In the run up to christmas it was too much for 1 person, so they paid for his 15 yo friend to help, even though he should have been at school.

Then there was a bit of fuss with the couriers arriving too early, so they started doing the sort with the shutters down. These teenagers literally have thousands upon thousands of pounds of parcels to handle, unchecked. But I never thought anything of it, the lads seem very nice and honest.

Without going into details I have discovered that at least one of them is stealing parcels. It's not really my problem, since I'm self-employed, but it's obviously not good either for the company, or the boys, since the longer they get away with it the more habitual they will get about thieving. So my instinct is to report my evidence.

But if i do, they will be sacked and they probably won't be able to find anyone to man the depot again, which will mean it will close. That would mean that we would have to have the parcels delivered to our homes addresses by lorry, and because I live on a peninsula I would always be the last drop. When this happened before I sometimes didn't get the parcels by 2pm. I only worked part-time then, but I now often do 8-10 hour days, and am the main earner in our family. I can't possibly start work at 2pm, so I would be out of work effectively.

So wwyd?

OP posts:
WhirlyByrd · 22/09/2013 08:49

what not why. Incidentally, can you apply for a transfer to a different depot?

ClaraOswald · 22/09/2013 08:49

The manager has to be in on it is some shape or form, or he wouldn't be so dismissive.

Now that you know as well, I think you owe yourself and your family the security of turning in at least the thief. Does your company have a profit protection department/whistle blowing hotline?

edam · 22/09/2013 08:50

Are you in a union? Do you have legal cover on your house insurance? I would get some legal advice if I were you. Also call Public Concern at Work, the organisation that campaigned for a whistleblowing law to protect employees.

And I'd report this to head office. Clearly your own manager is either in it himself or for some reason wants to hush it up, so go above his head.

This is theft, it's a criminal offence, it's clearly not going to go away, so you need to protect your own back. Get some outside advice before acting because although clearly companies should reward the good guys and sack the thieves, that doesn't always happen IRL.

OHforDUCKScake · 22/09/2013 08:52

For god sake go to the police before they frame you.

CandidaDoyle · 22/09/2013 08:55

No, I'm not sure you have tried to do "the right thing". You came here 9 months ago asking if your we're unreasonable to report theft. You were told yes you were.

You chose to keep quiet and let thieves get away with it for all this time. This could been put a stop to months ago, but you chose to ignore it.

Also not sure how wise it is to name tesco in the thread?!

MacNCheese · 22/09/2013 09:01

Get a new job if you can. Why bother with the stress.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/09/2013 09:07

That's a bit harsh. Yes stealing is wrong,but the peoples who's parcels go missing will get a replacement. The OP stands to lose her livliehood, and has already explained that jobs are very hard to come by.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/09/2013 09:08

Sorry OP, I have no real advice, but can you go over the depot managers head?

MissDuke · 22/09/2013 09:14

It's all going to be fine - not everything can be replaced though :-( Not all parcels are sent directly from large companies.

Delilahlilah · 22/09/2013 09:42

Asking head office of courier company to help is a good idea. They must have records that would demonstrate that this depot has higher levels of items going missing / delivered. That should be enough for them to investigate it. Ask them to give that reason, and you won't have to worry about being the 'whistle blower'

differentnameforthis · 22/09/2013 12:29

Not once do you mention the victims of this crime...the people who are missing birthday presents, online orders, Christmas presents.

You know they are doing it, yet you seem more concerned about your job than the people who are being stolen from.

Is it a crime not to report a crime...

differentnameforthis · 22/09/2013 12:31

but the peoples who's parcels go missing will get a replacement

Not if they were presents, and even insured, the sender will not get the full cost of item & postage back.

It has happened to us, Aunt sent gifts for my dc, never arrived (yes insured) and all she got back was cost of postage!

Justforlaughs · 22/09/2013 12:41

If you work for a "big" firm as you claim, then there must be a higher department you can go to. You are not only putting yourself at risk of losing your own job by keeping quiet but also of a criminal record. You've "outed" yourself to your manager and the boy you suspect, so who do you think they would frame given half a chance? Speak to the police, in confidence or email HR. As for stating as fact that "Turns out tescos made up the tale of me dumping and stealing to try to claim compensation", that seriously doesn't ring true and you have laid yourself wide open to charges of libel!

cumfy · 22/09/2013 15:06

Tesco ? Libel ?

You're new aren't you.Grin

pouffepants · 18/10/2013 19:09

Caught the lad redhanded the other day. Dragged him into the office with the evidence, he tried to make excuses, contacted my boss who agreed with me and said they'd get rid, and they were in the middle of getting a new depot anyway. So I waited a couple of weeks and nothing happened.
They asked me not to contact the police while it was sorted out

Went in this morning to find depot burnt down. Haven't got a clue who did it.

Have now had an email to say that since I have caused such bad feeling towards the sorter (thief) that I would not be coming to the new depot, but being put on home drop, and slicing my area in half. I also have to agree to working 7 days per week during December.

The boss knows I can't possible do those conditions, so I've been basically managed out. I'm self-employed although I have worked to the exact same conditions for the same company for 4 years, so i have no redress whatsoever. Jobcentre here I come!

OP posts:
GhostsInSnow · 18/10/2013 19:50

You should post on the legal forum here, I'm wondering if this can be construed as constructive dismissal?

stowsettler · 18/10/2013 19:51

Oh pouffe what a nightmare. I've only just seen your thread and read it through. Whilst I didn't think at first that you should report the thefts, because I live in the real world and realise what the loss of £30k does to most families, by the time of your September posts I was of the opinion that you'd have to report or be implicated yourself.

I think you're probably right and that your time with this 'company' is done. However I wouldn't take it lying down. By referring to this thread you could probably write a fairly accurate timeline of events. Read up on whistleblowers' rights and REPORT TO HEAD OFFICE. You really have to do this.

Depot burnt down you say? If the manager is dodgy enough to turn a blind eye to theiving (or, more likely, be an accomplice), then I'd be wondering about the fire. It's entirely possible he's in all sorts of trouble and needed the insurance...

I used to work for a courier and I know all the tricks of the trade. But the company I worked for had a large and prominent anti-fraud section who would turn up unannounced to depots at random. Still didn't stop all the thefts, but it did keep them down.

stowsettler · 18/10/2013 19:52

Juice I was wondering the same thing, but the OP is self-employed so it's probably more complicated than that.

CatFromAcrossTheRoad · 18/10/2013 20:02

It seems as if OP could have rights as an actual employee despite the self-employed terms. OP please try one of the legal or work fora here; someone is bound to know about employment law and ethics/whisleblowing and give you some specific advice.

CookieLady · 18/10/2013 20:09

That's shit. Don't let them get away with it. I agree with pp that the depot being burnt down sounds very dodgy.

GhostsInSnow · 18/10/2013 20:30

It's definitely worth bouncing off some of the legal bods around here, you have nothing to lose at this point I don't think.

olibeansmummy · 18/10/2013 21:24

I'd go to the police with all your evidence, if you're going to have to leave anyway. I really hope you find a new job soon!

BettyBotter · 18/10/2013 21:31

Sounds like constructive dismissal to me.
Phone ACAS. 08457 47 47 47

Nombrechanger · 18/10/2013 21:40

Who the hell is resurrecting this? It's almost a year old problem!!

ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT!!

MamaMumra · 18/10/2013 21:46

The OP has posted with an update nombre